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Do gender differences exist?

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Started: 2/19/2019 Category: People
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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emsiblook

Pro

Gender differences exist and they are based on biology, They are not socially constructed.

Convince me otherwise :)
idisagreewithyou

Con

I'll bring two arguments, One hypothetical and one pragmatic.

Hypothetical: Lets say we bring two new born babies from this reality, One boy one girl, And drop them into a dimension where in all of human history men where considered care takers, Submissive and emotionally vulnerable, While women where considered providers, Dominant and emotionally stoic, And it's been like that for all of human history. Do you think nature will over power nurture and the two people in this scenario will act similarly to how they would act in this reality, Or do you think the culture she grew up in will dictate her career decisions/personality.

Pragmatic: In the Nordic countries they have tried many policies to make men and women's work equal, And they are incredibly close (4), Relatively speaking, This proves if you remove arbitrary barriers, Women will find it much easier to work in higher paying jobs. Also as we can see from some ancient societies like Iroquois natives (7) and ancient sparta (8), Other cultures viewed gender very differently from how we do (which are very dependent on gender norms from Europe), The tchambuli tribe is a special case though(9), In these societies women were considered the dominant, Powerful sex. Because they had no outside influences from Europe or the middle east, Their views of gender are unique to them and seem to be a product of their culture rather than biology.

All links are available in my account comments, Look forward to a response.
Debate Round No. 1
emsiblook

Pro

I've noticed that you claim to agree with me on the biological differences between male and female personalities, But we disagree in that you believe this personality difference doesn't have an impact on the decisions people make in their lives. Could you expand on why you think this?
A study on babies in the womb found;
1. That males were measured to have 2x more testosterone than women, And
2. When measured at age 8, Found that those with higher testosterone pre-natally, (male or the few that were female), Showed more interest in systems and how things work.

Although they did not measure the children once they grew up, It naturally seems that those interested in systems would take more to a logical, STEM-related occupation. (2) shows that this occurrence is indeed cross-cultural.

99% of the time, Men and women having opposite gender roles simply does not happen, Because the gender that lactates and births the child, Would naturally have to be the gender that is caring and less willing to head into dangerous situations, As well as be self-sacrificing. If this gender did not have these characteristics, How would the child survive?

Nature has sexually selected both males and females to have the characteristics they have, So that humans are more likely to procreate and survive. In the case of males, Its to be competitive and strong to take care of the vulnerable pregnant mother. Because animals have always naturally looked for these characteristics, These systems have been built into all animals for as long as hierarchies have existed, 350 million years ago. Of course there may be slight variations, Such as the tribes you mentioned, And seahorses where the female deposits her eggs into the male, And the male holds the unborn young. But we have overarching patterns throughout most animal hierarchies for a reason. Even with the exceptions, The gender roles in these animals are very strict because without them the young would not survive. So these roles even go back to fish. The influence doesn't come with conscious thought, It comes BEFORE that. So any societal norms will be due to biological needs for the animals' survival.

The source you refer to is from the Global Gender Gap report, Which rewards the use of gender quotas, Meaning that for example, Male-dominated areas that may be more dangerous, Longer hours, More 'things' driven, Such as bricklaying, Welding, Engineering etc. Must hire the few women that wish to go into these areas, Even if they are less skilled. This has failed as gender-quotas haven't improved the quality of business efficiency and decisions. (3) It also doesn't account for the fact that women in Scandinavian countries work shorter hours, And the welfare state actually means that women choose to take more of the paid leave, While men take the minimum required leave. (4)
idisagreewithyou

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Debate Round No. 2
emsiblook

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idisagreewithyou

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by emsiblook 3 years ago
emsiblook
Yes, That's what I'm arguing against.
Posted by idisagreewithyou 3 years ago
idisagreewithyou
To elaborate, I believe women and men have basic primal differences, But I believe most (if not almost all) of differences between men and women within pay and job opportunity is cultural. If that's what we're debating I'll accept.
Posted by idisagreewithyou 3 years ago
idisagreewithyou
Are we debating the legitimacy of gender roles or just differences between the genders in general, If it's the latter then I think we agree, If it's the former I'll accept
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