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Do numbers have an end?

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Started: 11/14/2018 Category: Science
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MohamedAbabou

Pro

Did you know the numbers have an end?

If the time stopped and the night were lasting by
counting then the digits have no end; but sunrise is
a proof that the time passes and the digits have an
end, Though keeping counting the time doesn"t stop
but it keeps moving without stopping nor coming
back. And in view of the expiration of a period then
the absolute counting is a time and counting an
existing thing cannot be unknown, For example
counting sand grains in the beach, Or counting the
stars in the space takes a long time, And here is a
merge of time with existence in the place, So the
digits originally are time and time is an integral part
of space and this one is related to existence, Which
means that digits are an existential branch with a
start and an end, But may time ends to indicate that
digits have end?
ResearchIt

Con

I want to start by stating I do not believe that numbers have an end. I think that numbers are a made up concept that can continue endlessly just by adding more names and symbols.
"If the time stopped and the night were lasting by
counting then the digits have no end;"
I don't agree that cycles mean that there is time. Rather that things happen and we feel a need to be able to identify when.
"but sunrise is a proof that the time passes and the digits have an
end, Though keeping counting the time doesn"t stop" -
Time also being a man made concept does not have a begining or end. We feel as though it should because it feels unnatural. That is because time is unnatural but it has become necessary.
"but it keeps moving without stopping nor coming
back. And in view of the expiration of a period then
the absolute counting is a time and counting an
existing thing cannot be unknown, "
We created time by labeling distance. Time is labeling parts of a cycle and and calculating what part of the cycle you are in.
"For example
counting sand grains in the beach, Or counting the
stars in the space takes a long time, And here is a
merge of time with existence in the place, So the
digits originally are time and time is an integral part
of space and this one is related to existence, "
Again this assumes time is a natural concept.
"Which
means that digits are an existential branch with a
start and an end, But may time ends to indicate that
digits have end? "
Time and numbers only share a few things the main one being they are both man made concepts that have no begining or end beyond the limits we set.
I think that numbers can continue on for as long as someone or something continues. The beauty of a number is that it can have unlimited digits by design. Thus you could continue to append the number continously.
Debate Round No. 1
MohamedAbabou

Pro

Time is a natural concept where things can move. . For example 1 to AB.

Mathematics was known by the Human, And there
are some animals that distinguish its herd, And we
don"t know if it knows the number or it does that
with other ways.
Are 0, 1 and other numbers related to the Humans"
existence? The Man is the one who invented
numbers to help him in his daily life to count and
calculate, And is it logical the Human believes that
digits have no end?
ResearchIt

Con

Time is a natural concept where things can move. .
Please explain, This makes no sense.


For example 1 to AB.
What is the variable AB refering to?

Mathematics was known by the Human,
Once it was made, Then it was taught. Now it is known.
And there are some animals that distinguish its herd,
Animals can naturally discern threats. Animals that look like it are generally less of a threat. They also get to know members of the herd same as you remember people in a group you spent time in.
And we don"t know if it knows the number or it does that
with other ways.
It probably doesnt know how many are in the herd. Just which ones are. Doesnt really relate to the last number.


Are 0, 1 and other numbers related to the Humans"
existence?
Actually the number 0 didnt even exist. It was published in about the year 815AD. In fact, There is no year 0. It goes 2bc, 1bc, 1ad, 2ad. . . This is bacause there was little need for 0 to exist as you don't count somthing you don't have.


The Man is the one who invented numbers to help him in his daily life to count and
calculate, And is it logical the Human believes that digits have no end?
If I invented something abstract, Then yes I could fathom it continuing in perpetuity. For an example of abstract concepts that don't end, Look at fractals.
Debate Round No. 2
MohamedAbabou

Pro

Please explain, This makes no sense.
Time is there, It is an element of spacetime.

What is the variable AB refering to?

It is the last number.

Animals can naturally discern threats. Animals that look like it are generally less of a threat. They also get to know members of the herd same as you remember people in a group you spent time in.
And we don"t know if it knows the number or it does that
with other ways.
It probably doesnt know how many are in the herd. Just which ones are. Doesnt really relate to the last number.
Well as you know it is biologically grounded. It knows a certain number of animal in its herd, They have the concept of ending

Are 0, 1 and other numbers related to the Humans"
existence?
Actually the number 0 didnt even exist. It was published in about the year 815AD. In fact, There is no year 0. It goes 2bc, 1bc, 1ad, 2ad. . . This is bacause there was little need for 0 to exist as you don't count somthing you don't have.
But 0 is crucial for many operations

If I invented something abstract, Then yes I could fathom it continuing in perpetuity. For an example of abstract concepts that don't end, Look at fractals.
doesn't make any sense, Think about how the smallest distance is planck's distance = 1/AB

And from another view: since mathematics is an
exact science, Then why the digits have no end?
The exact science is nothing more than a science
controlled by facts. For example in Biology while
studying a cell, There is no room for imagination for
the cell is of a real origin whether it was vegetarian
or animal. So mathematics doesn"t have to be based
on illusions and imagination which is the source of
science follies, And the idea of digits have no end is
one of these follies because it"s far from the
scientific truth which doesn"t accept unless a logical
explanation for phenomena and characteristics. The
digits have end and this is the reality but the
humans still believe in the opposite, Because
mathematics is a science that doesn"t accept unless
the truth without the slightest doubt. And it is a
fallacy that we use the infinity in mathematics and
in all science. Because the matter leads to a
questioning that doesn"t accept a convincing
answer for the science isn"t Metaphysics or
Philosophy, It cannot be overwhelmed by conflict
and dialectics, But science is by theories and proofs.
And maybe the truth lies in the beginnings of
mathematics in its old origins like Egypt and the
Babel Civilization in Iraq and India and Greece. We
observe that it came to be used in solving
calculation problems that the human being couldn"t
solve, Like the construction of buildings and
calculating areas, From that we recognize that the
science of mathematics and since its first
appearance wasn"t meant to express naughtiness
and emptiness. The use of arithmetic and digits was
to indicate the findings. But how did mathematics
become different as it is now out of scope of the
truth and science. What leaded to the strangeness
of mathematics is believing in the idea of the digits
have no end, And that leaded to the argument of
digits and its end and there for new equations that
use this illusion was invented, And this is a novelty
made mathematics in general and digits especially
in conflict with science, And this idea was inherited
from a generation to another till now. Mathematics
that reached us is different from the original,
because it contains what is not true and not logical
that is the idea that we talked about, Because the
digits have an end and there are many proofs that
confirm it logically, Because the Man by nature love
asking questions to reach to a convincing result.
Whenever we talk about digits we find the human
asking in his imagination: What is the end of digits?
ResearchIt

Con

ResearchIt forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
MohamedAbabou

Pro

MohamedAbabou forfeited this round.
ResearchIt

Con

ResearchIt forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
MohamedAbabou

Pro

MohamedAbabou forfeited this round.
ResearchIt

Con

ResearchIt forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Block.19 3 years ago
Block.19
no there is no end to numbers, There is an infinite amount of numbers between each number. Numbers are just concepts created by man to help make sense of our universe
Posted by ResearchIt 3 years ago
ResearchIt
There are a finite number of sand grains. More than feasibly counted though.
Posted by GuitarSlinger 3 years ago
GuitarSlinger
Numbers are concepts-- an abstract idea we humans use to represent physical realities or other abstract ideas. Numbers are not subject to (bound by) the physical laws of nature (tell me how much the number 3 weighs, What color the 505, 230 is, How long it. 73 is, I can't squash the number 83, Etc). We use numbers to represent other items that are either physical or abstract.

e. G. There are 10 men playing basketball. . . . . . . "Truth" and "Justice" are 2 ideas we value. . . . . I had 5 different dreams last week, There're 10 billion people in the world (not sure how many people, But making a point), Etc

Now here's a little trick. Think of a number, The largest number you can think of. Guess what-- I can think of a number larger than that-- just add 1 to your number. Or, Conversely, Think of the smallest number you can. Guess What? I can think of a number smaller than it-- just subtract 1 from it.

Now, Does this 1-larger number not exist, Likewise does this "1-smaller" number not exist? Or does it exist? Why or why not?
Posted by DeletedUser 3 years ago
DeletedUser
How many grains of sand exist in the universe?
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