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Do sanctuary cities have a right to limit their cooperation with federal immigration authorities?

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Started: 2/5/2018 Category: Politics
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YaBoiGeorgeWashington

Pro

The topic of Sanctuary Cities are a form of local government control disputing the federal standard. However, the rule of local government is the law in these cities, leading to anger among national law enforcement agencies. These agencies are relieved however, when the rate of crime is lower in cities such as New York, who support illegals. (1) It is clear that these sanctuary cities have presented themselves in a positive light, allowing refugees from other countries to exist within their cities. What is more American than immigration? If we turn these people away, how do we call ourselves a land of immigrants?

1. https://www.huffingtonpost.com...
VanessaMut

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I Vanessa intend to prove that Sanctuary cities can create a bad economic and legal burden on our American society. It is true that the laws made by local governments are laws made within the cities, But the laws made in the cities can also effect the whole the country. When looking at immigrants theirs two type of immigrants legal and illegal Our country looses a lot of money when providing illegal immigrants assistants. Sanctuary cities experiences an increase in serious crimes, one example is the Kathryn Steinle case regarding her shooting in San Francisco. The Man who shot Kathryn Steinle was deported 5 times before and has multiple drug convictions. If he was to get questioned about his legal status then the victim would of still been alive today and this is rather it was towards or not towards the victim personally.

Rebuttal to Lower crime rates in New York:
While theirs been a decrease in lower crime rate in New York city, People in New York still don't feel safe, Even though the stats are saying this. The crimes are low because the crimes are not being reported by illegal immigrants and for that matter its not being counted in the stats. The people of New York are still not feeling safe!

https://www.washingtontimes.com...
Debate Round No. 1
YaBoiGeorgeWashington

Pro

Rebuttal to "country looses a lot of money when providing illegal immigrants assistants"
According to CNN, President Donald Trump has promised to cut funding to sanctuary cities, starting with San Francisco(1) . San Francisco relies solely on grants and other forms of private funding, which allows San Francisco to account for over a quarter of the U.S"s technology exports. Recently, San Francisco generated $4.177 billion from private and public investors alike. (2) The amount created by San Francisco area business injects upwards of 1 trillion dollars into the economy every year. If we are to cut funding from all angles to this city, we would lose over 1 trillion dollars every year! According to multiple sources, the United States is in $20 trillion dollar debt. This is an extraordinarily high amount of debt for a developed country. Also, abnormally high debt leads to a economic decrease, typically 25% for every added trillion since the ten trillion debt mark (3). Therefore, if we were to cut funding to just 1 of these sanctuary cities, we would be losing $1 trillion in the economy every year, therefore causing our economy to decrease even further. Just a reminder, this is only one city. All together, the rest of these cities provide $200 trillion for the economy every year, according to American Progress (4). That would cause an economic decrease of $201 trillion dollars and an economic collapse of drastic proportions. While the government would save money, they would only save a small fraction of the possible revenue generated by these cities (5) $55 million saved by theses possible cuts, but $201 trillion lost, while the economy is boosted by 201 trillion dollars by spending just $55 million. Who would be against a deal like this? According to fee.org, The Great Depression was only an economic loss of $20 trillion dollars and an economic decrease of 500%, and that killed 7 million people! We can only imagine how many people an economic crash the size previously mentioned would create. Picture it like this, Sanctuary cities are part of the American economic archway. What occurs if you remove a keystone from an archway? It collapses under its own weight. If we are to remove funding from sanctuary cities as the opposition wants, removing them, it would cause an untold amount of suffering and our favored ways of living would come crumbling down like the archway.

In defense of the lower crime rates in NY:
Why would the citizens of New York city feel unsafe with less shootings, robberies, rape, and other serious crimes taking place in their city? (7)

Rebuttal to: Kate Steinle
The bullet that killed Kate Steinle was a ricochet shot. It was not meant to hit her, therefore it was not an intentional murder. (6)

1: https://www.cnn.com...
2: https://www.inc.com...
3: https://www.thebalance.com...
4: https://www.americanprogress.org...
5: http://money.cnn.com...
6: https://www.cnn.com... , https://en.wikipedia.org...
7: https://www.citylab.com...
VanessaMut

Con

Lets talk about our insurance and healthcare, according to Eric Ruark a senior researched There are 14.5 million immigrants and their U.S born children without health insurance, 32 percent of the uninsured. Between 1989 and 2007, immigrants and their U.S born children accounted for 71 percent of the increase in the uninsured. Has of right now more than one out of every four uninsured U.S. residents is an immigrant.The foreign-born make up 27 percent of the uninsured population in the U.S. 48 percent of immigrants and their children are either uninsured or depend on Medicaid. Approximately 65 percent of illegal aliens in the U.S. are uninsured. In some hospitals, as much as two-thirds of total operating costs are for uncompensated care for illegal aliens. 425,000 births a year in the U.S"more than 1 in every 10 births"is to an illegal alien mother.

Rubettal to your question about New York Having a low crime rate:
When reading an article on Nationalreview.com regardless of source, likely understate crimes committed by illegal aliens. That"s because illegal-immigrant victims are less likely to report crime, and even if crimes are reported, illegal immigrants are less likely to appear as witnesses leading to conviction, so of course the number is going to be low in the database and stats.

Rebuttal to: If we were to cut funding to just 1 of these sanctuary cities:
according to https://fairus.org..., Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers $113 billion annually. This is equal to $996 per household headed by a native-born resident. General for the Treasury Department found that illegal aliens received refundable tax credits totaling $4.2 billion in 2010 which is a large number. If illegal workers were replaced with legal workers, tax revenues would rise significantly and benefits paid to unemployed and underemployed legal workers would be reduced. I think that we as legal American citizens don't want taxes coming out of our pockets. You can do the research or even ask your neighbor and they would say no way, why? Your not taking more taxes how am I supposed to feed my children with a low paycheck? We are using our taxes to pay for this people and they are here to stay. Are illegal immigrants supposed to stay illegal forever and avoid paying their share of taxes for systems ( Healthcare, Education, communities and what is open to the public ) that they and their families benefits from?

https://fairus.org...
http://www.diggersrealm.com...
http://www.nationalreview.com...
Debate Round No. 2
YaBoiGeorgeWashington

Pro

Last round huh? Oh well, lets make this one short.

Rebuttal to: Burden on the healthcare system
These illegal immigrants are people too. They deserve to have healthcare, and in the ER, services are always rendered before insurance is questioned.

In defense of: "If we were to cut funding to just 1 of these sanctuary cities"
These sanctuary cities are a stepping stone for illegal immigrants to become legal citizens. If we distribute the cost among taxpayers then the overall cost to each person is very low.

Upholding a constitutional right
Non-sanctuary cities are doing something very unconstitutional. In the Supreme Court case Zadvydas v. Davis, the Supreme Court ruled ICE detainer requests and jailing immigrants for disproportionate crimes UNCONSTITUTIONAL! (8) If something is unconstitutional it should not be allowed, nor should it be judged as the model. Non-sanctuary cities deny rights granted by the founding principles of this land by unlawfully jailing immigrants and accepting ICE detainer requests. Sanctuary cities take a stand on this issue and prevent these rights violations.

Source Tally and Conclusion
I have cited eight different sources that all pertain to the question. Con currently has four sources.

In conclusion, yes, cities do have a right to limit their cooperation with federal immigration authorities. The constitution and legal precedent, as previously mentioned, all lay the groundwork for cities to protect immigrants. May the best debater win.

8: Aleinikoff, T. Alexander (2002), Detaining Plenary Power: The Meaning and Impact of Zadvydas v. Davis. 16 Georgetown Imm. L. J. 365, Georgetown University.
VanessaMut

Con

Rubettal to Upholding a constitutional right:
I understand that these Illegal Immigrants are people, and the constitution says to protect immigrants but illegal immigrants are breaking the laws by entering our Country without permission. Foreigners who enters the U.S. illegally can be both convicted of a crime and held responsible for a civil violation under the U.S. immigration laws. There is people that come to this country and follow the law. They are criminal penalties to the immigration laws. For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.) so does this mean people should just come to this country for free, not get questioned, not fallow the proper procedures and be given help?

They are Multiple ways to enter our country legally including: Visitor's visa, this is for visitors and tourists. Visa's for students which allows students to come to united states for education purposes. Immigration Visa, which is through sponsorship and Fiance Visa which is a marriage visa. Citizens from Canada, Mexico and Bermuda can apply for travel documents from the Department of Homeland Security under "land and sea entry" to enter this country legally.
For people who are running away from War there's hope and ways to enter and stay in the United State. According to Wikipedia, "economic migrants, who cant get the proper form to come to this country , refugees, as defined by international law can gain legal status through a process of seeking and receiving asylum, either by being designated a refugee while abroad, or by physically entering the United States and requesting asylum status thereafter. A specified number of legally defined refugees, who either apply for asylum overseas or after arriving in the U.S., are admitted annually."

Since 2000, approximately 1,000,000 immigrants per year enter the united states , and about 600,000 Change of their Status and already are in the U.S. Legal immigrants to the United States. Illegal immigration may be as high as 1,500,000 per year with which adds up to at least 700,000 illegal immigrants arriving every year. So with this being said, theirs More Illegal immigrants breaking the law then people actually coming to this country the right way, which is just sad. If anything goes wrong how do we make this people responsible?

In conclusion to our debate, I have proven that sanctuary cities can create a bad economic and legal burden on our American society. Illegal immigrants are not legal, they entered our country without the proper authority. They shouldn't be given all of the benefits and should definitely be questioned of their status here in the U.S for the safety of the American people and our economy. If your for the American people and protecting our land then you would agree. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

I REST MY CASE

TOTAL SOURCES: 8

http://www.alllaw.com...
https://www.usa.gov...
https://en.wikipedia.org...
https://immigration.laws.com...
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