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Anonymous
The Contender
kyleniel
Pro (for)

Does God's sovereignty violate our decision making?

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Started: 8/10/2018 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Con

For the first round please just accept the debate. Arguments will begin next round.
kyleniel

Pro

All you did was waste a round bro.
Debate Round No. 1

Con

Let me jump right into it:

The standard argument for con's side is that if God is in control of everything, Then he is in control of our decision making. If he is in control of our decision making than we can't make our own decisions. They argue that this then contradicts the given information that we can make decisions based off of our own free will.

My response: This seems logically sound, But when you go under the surface, You find the the two ideas to actually not be contradictory. It is not as black and white as people think. Let me start out with a comparison. Why do you breathe? Well, You need to breathe in order to live. Without oxygen, You will suffocate and die and very quickly. Does anyone force you to breathe? No, But that is the way God made us. God made us so that we need to breathe in order to live. God does not force us to breathe, But the way he created us requires us to breathe in order to live. So in this case scenario, God is omniscient and we have free will. God does not force us to breathe, But he creates in a way so that we choose to breathe because we want to live.
This is how it is with all of our decision making. Because we are born sinners, We sin. Does God force us to sin? NO! But because he created us perfect with the choice to sin, He took a risk. We sinned Not because God forced us to, But because we chose to.

Do you see what I mean when I say it is not as black and white as people think. Two ideas that seem contradictory may not be contradictory if you dig far enough under the surface.
kyleniel

Pro

If God made us need to breathe then (S)He at least kind of forced us to breathe. Also, You neglect to mention that Human beings require reasons for action, And since reasons vary in life, Do we really have free thought? Since God made us, (S)He is the closest thing to, If not the, Cause of our lack of free will.
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Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
Which God do you refer to? There live so many.
Posted by canis 3 years ago
canis
Gods are how we create them. So we can violate other peoples decision making.
Posted by felixmendelssohn 3 years ago
felixmendelssohn
@jackgilbert
god chose to create a universe with a possibility of suffering rather than creating nothing at all. So ultimately, He was the one who created suffering. How is that moral?
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@BertrandsTeapot - We can point out that there's no such thing as god until proven otherwise, Much less god's sovereignty. And as usual the host of this ridiculous debate never faces evidence when slapped in the face with it and cannot counter one god damned thing as he does with all of his debates that he creates AND the debates that he enters and thus ruins. What is wrong with this guy?
Posted by BertrandsTeapot 3 years ago
BertrandsTeapot
Can we debate the fact that there is no such thing as god's sovereignty? Or will you just quit in the face of evidence you can't counter like the rest of your debates?
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