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Does Ralph Nader have it out to make Democrats lose???

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Started: 2/25/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 14 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,078 times Debate No: 2931
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masturdebator

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i personally cannot understand why he always chooses to run when the election is expected to be very close, knowing that he takes votes away from the democrats. He would not have been able to wage his war on auto companies without the support of the democrats. Does he seriously think he can win or is he working for the republicans?

i just want to hear some opinions. :)
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blond_guy

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I think that what Ralph Nader does with the presidential election is close to what Huckabee is doing with the Republican nomination. As a political activist he runs for president to make himself famous, hence, heard. I doubt that he is working with Republicans, mostly because before he even ran for president he wasn't a supporter of the Republican party. He tends to lean towards the democrats, and when he was accused of stealing votes from Al Gore he said that it couldn't possibly had been his fault because Al Gore did win, only the presidency was "stolen from him" by Jeb Bush among others, and the democrats did nothing about it. Running for president is like his job. The job that he decided to do, not because he is looking towards actually becoming the president, but because he'll be taken a bit more seriously this way.

This might turn out to be a discussion more than a debate. I think it's fair if voters just vote on our sophistication of thought.

Thank you so much for starting this discussion, it seems really interesting and I'll be looking forward to your next argument.
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 Debate Round No. 1
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Okay... I can't really continue the debate without any input from my opponent so I'll wait until he posts an argument.
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 Debate Round No. 2
masturdebator

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blond_guy

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Ok, so... I guess I win?

100 character rule is full of... Dang still not 100. Ok now it's 100 :)!!!
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Posted by artC 14 years ago
artC
If you don't know much about him how can you seriouly say you want him to be presiedent?
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Posted by Velcro 14 years ago
Velcro
i don't really know much about nader, but i'd rather see him win than hillary, obama, or mccain.
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Posted by birdpiercefan3334 14 years ago
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I affirm, because the con never actually gave any further arguments to halt the pro process.
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Posted by schoolglutton 14 years ago
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When given a chance in Alaska, democrats actively opposed instant runoff voting, which would have changed both state and federal elections in Alaska.

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Posted by Tatarize 14 years ago
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It isn't the Democrats. It's actually the constitution. Many democrats I know are heavily in favor of run off elections.
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Posted by schoolglutton 14 years ago
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I agree. I want to have my vote show Nader, too. During my spring break I may start a debate on how democrats purposely use the unfair nature of our voting system to exclude third parties and limit choices.

The democrats can easily fix the spoiler effect through instant runoff voting but choose not to. Dems actively opposed its legislation in Alaska.
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Posted by Darth_Grievous_42 14 years ago
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I think what Ralph Nader has it out for is to win the presidency. He has just as much right to run as a third party as either the Democrats or Republicans. People seem to forget that the American democratic system was not created specifically to have only two parties, it just turned out that way. He didn't take away votes, he added to his own. If he appealed to whatever percent of America than that is the peoples choice, not his. It seems more likely that this means that both the Democrats and Republicans are losing their luster.
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Posted by Tatarize 14 years ago
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Yeah, Obama is only going to win by like 10 points. Comparing that to his 40 point win in the Senate and 20 point wins against Clinton all over the place. 10 points is going to be like nothing.

Obama has pretty much an untouchable charm, massive grassroots support, crazy good money making ability, and is very liked.

McCain has no charm. He's like 80. He's a jingoistic neocon. He's probably locked into public financing which is an albatross around his neck. The right will come around but they don't love him, which probably means they will stay home.

Nader pulled in .3% of the vote last time, and that was when Kerry was the nominee. Oh, and lets not forget the little problem of the money pit worthless war we're stuck in that everybody hates, the close link between Bush and McCain and Bush's dismal approval rating (30%).

Nader might as well run. This thing is going to be a shutout.
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Posted by bluejoewho 14 years ago
bluejoewho
its going to be closer than people think.
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Posted by zander 14 years ago
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This election is supposed to be close???
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