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2far4u2CharlesDarwin
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LiberalGuy
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Does an existance creator of design exist or not

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Started: 3/31/2018 Category: Science
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

The perception of the conditions that we are subjected to involuntary or not is what motivates the cognitive drive. How about an educated or an uneducated guess is all we have.
While the majority of the worlds population will stay with some kind of after life allusion and the rest are undecided athiests sientists until a later date as very few will with all honesty will give up all hope of an after life.

How could existences creator have unconditional love, if freewill was taken from it's own creation, by coming out from behind an eclipse, as to crucify it's own freewill?

When all he asked of us was to love each other and we will learn how to love our self and don't do to another what you wouldn't do to yourself or another.

Towers of Babel (established religions and beliefs of today)
Tree of monkeys (todays world wide economics)

All religions corrupt it's own beliefs when becoming a governing rule. People break away and create there own ruling force. The modern worlds hierarchy of the Towers of Babel and the tree of monkeys continue to abuse humanities humane within a reward based religion or a belief. Going to heaven if your good or to hell if your bad or your next life to come back as something really good or as a most vulnerable creature or as anything or nothing or how about an igneous rock and this reasoning somehow justifies everything the wealthy/poor, beautiful/ugly, bisexual/strait, healthy/sick, smart/dumb, dogs/cats, flees/mosquitoes, snakes/humming birds, women/men and this list is endless.

While we try to live up to everybody else's expectations, when we should have some realistic expectations of our own to live up to. Because living up to your own exceptions are hard enough, trying to live up to everybody else's is impossible and it's all supposedly for a rite of passage to have an after life. Allah has shone upon you or it's into the seven levels of hell or Buddha's and Hinduism's karma, yin and yang and the balancing act of improbability of the flee and the elephant or Gods heaven of internal bliss or Satan's hell of internal damnation and the Scientists quarks or nothing at all that somehow becomes something. There's a whole universe out there to inhabit a place for all. So why and what rite have people got to force a big stick into an existence creators hand or not to have a creator at all. Well I say that everyone needs group cognitive behaviour therapy to break down the barriers within communication in an UNBIASED SANDBOX WITHIN OUR BIASED MINDS

Put down your own big stick and put aside your own double edged tongue for your own sake as I continue to consider, how much this cuts both ways. While I at lest try to explain wisdom's philosophy.

We are now in a the age of consequences. Are the 5 permanent members of the united nations ready to consider change upon their governing rule by accepting all nations to become permanent members of the United Nations? Could this be even possible or is it the money and the power that keeps them there to begin with, while they continue pointing nuclear bombs at each other in some game of insanity?

These 5 permanent members of the united nations are at the very top of the scientists tree of monkeys. The top and upper branches has the Psychopaths/ Sociopaths with money and power designing principles upon shifting sands that create unethical corporatism within capitalism, along with the scientists creating something new that we all must have and pay a fee to use, as to get the next grant for funding their laboratory's with blood money made from unethical corporatism within capitalism. The middle branches are B.F. Skinner's rat race propping each other up finding some security in there so called successes. Surrounding themselves with creature comforts along with the scientists that have to invent something new that we all must have and pay a fee to use, so that they both can have there names up in light as to move up the tree of monkeys. Upon the lower branches are humanities humane and the educated undecided atheist scientists all working together as slaves, yes slaves that have no more then the basic necessities of life and then there's the people on the ground that shift through the sewage that trickles effectively all the way from the very top and the only thing that varies is the depth.

The only love I see on this tree of monkeys is humanities humane and the educated undecided atheist scientists all as slaves working together on the lowest branches as not to drowned in the rising sewege. Saving who they can from drowning within tidal surges that continues to trickle down effectively poisoning the roots of the tree that creates an existence within a Skinner box materialist throw-away society.

Abraham's religions and the Tower of Babel, from what the stories say in all of the books of religion and on the all sites that portray it to be a God that destroyed the tower of Babel in disgust all because it became much like the tree of monkeys with out the scientists, as all of the scientists where labelled as witches and warlocks and locked away or executed for acts of heresy.

Abraham was a good guy he was also the first messenger of an existence creator the one and only. The word Babel was an attempt to break down the barriers of communication to reach our own existence creator who was believed to be in the heavens. Be it that heaven was at the very top of the Tower of Babel. All religions all nations could supposedly communicate with each other within the miracle gift of speaking in tongues. These nations and religions where "Excuse me for the copy and past from Wikipedia on all the worlds religions I may have not have listed them all and the fact that some of these newer religions and of old are out of the time frame within that era, but you get the idea"the Shamanism, Animism, Pantheism, Sikhism, Polytheism, Pantheon (gods), and Paganism, Ancient Near Eastern religion, Egyptian mythology, Ancient Greek religion, Ancient Roman religion, Germanic paganism, Finnish Paganism, Norse paganism, Maya religion, Inca religion, Aztec religion, Neopaganism, Polytheistic reconstructionism, Monotheism, Abrahamic religions. Aten, Judaism, Neoplatonism, Christianity, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox Christianity, Protestantism, Islam Zoroastrianism, Monism, Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Dualis, Gnosticism and many more.

As to have a position upon this tower of Babel you had to be the leader of your religion or beliefs hierarchy and all that mattered was who could be trusted with the tree/ book of knowledge. All on-board become in-captured within a love that was so pure, no one could measure. It was so overwhelming all that tried to make there way up the tower where ridiculed and ostracized by another upon the stoop above and all about them. Slandering each others name and reputation as to drive them back down making those about them look undeserving or feeling unworthy. The most desperately sort stoops where at as high as the tower could be built and as not to lose there position the higher the tower got and the more that the leaders defended there position upon their stoop and the higher the tower become towards the heavens. Until it all fell down and they all together blamed our own existence creator.

Saying things like if existence creator has all the answers and knows all, why wasn't something or anything done about it before this happened and it still goes on today in all religions and beliefs and within the scientists tree of monkeys while the majority of people, still force a big stick into our existence creators hand or not to have a creator at all.

https://sites.google.com...

Unconditional love is as infinite as an existence creator of design. This is the why and how we became humane.

Peace be with you and all praise and glory belong to our own existence creator. https://en.wikipedia.org...
LiberalGuy

Con

We have no scientific proof that god or a "creator" is real. If we did then great we have one but something like that is not scientifically possible. You may go on for paragraphs and paragraphs but you just "believe" in god, if we had proof by now we would know but we don't and we have other things to worry about.
Debate Round No. 1
2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

STEPHEN HAWKINGS I do wonder what church his send off into the 5th dimension was in?

Is it that an athiest that disbelieves in god or gods or is it somebody that lacks beleif in God or Gods?
So is someone that lacks belief in an existance creator an undecided religous nut job or an undecided sientific athiest nut job?

And do athiests only go to church when they pass away?
LiberalGuy

Con

You really want to call us nut jobs. That question doesn't even make sense it is like are you blah or are you same meaning of word blah, we believe in science.
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Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
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yep and tell me when I should take this debate site seriously?

Stephen Hawkins passed away and his rebuttal to his critics insisting that intelligent design does not prove that God exists but only that a God-like force played a role in the creation of our universe approximately 13.8 billion years ago.

What have you got to say to that?
Just go on say he lost his marbles before he passed away or it's a farse and don't forget to then say that even his send-off within a church grounds must have been a mistake.

Then say that the event on the horizon is the edge of the known universe. Because we as a species we are stupidly intelligent and then watch Neil deGrasse and Richard Dawkins talking yes not speaking as only one was speaking Mr Neil deGrasse while Mr Richard Dawkins mind melts back into the dark ages where he belongs with Sigmond Freud.

Do as I say not as I do. Shall we Richard Dawkins.
I don't really know you and you don't really know me. Do we ever really know ourself?

Poetry shall never belong to science while they pear through that magnifying glass and do no more than burning ants.
Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
LibertyGuy if you beleive in sience then honestly watch this from over 10 years ago. Then we may have something to talk to each other, so that we can speak with each other and not at each other.

Peace be with you and all praise and glorly belongs to the existance creator of intelligent design of all with the universe.
Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
Lets for the sake of it say the wood era was Adam and Eve coming down from the trees. Then life got complicated and become the stone age all because of the stones apon the ground where used as weapons and withih=n the frountal lobe of a primitive brain developed empathy with if you don't try and kill you with these sticks and rocks you won't try to kill me right, and simpathy and then humility and all that could co-operated being humane where welcome into a group.

Is that evolution enough for you Im_Intelligent
Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
STEPHEN HAWKINGS
Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
Steven Hawkins oh please Im_intelligent forgive me for me spelling errors as I don't read dictionaries and spell check sends a massage "an error has accured" and doesn't work.
But surely someone as intelligant as the ability to have mercy upon my so called lower then average IQ level as I at lest try to explain wisdom's philosophy. To an educated idiot as likes of you.
Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
Lets for the sake of it say the wood era was adem and eve coming down from the trees. Then life got complicated and become the stone age all because of the stones apon the ground as the stones where attacked to sticks. and within the our own frountal lode empathy was created and developed simpathy and humility and all that could co-operated and being humane.

Do you trully believe the corrupted text within all records of an existance creator that have been corrupted by the victors or war and of course to contol the masses troughout the bronze age and the iron age and the dark ages within the BC and then AD and all along as I have said the records of an existance creator have been corrupted by religons and beleifs throughout histories records that are eventuraly being unravaled by sientists the likes of Steven Harkins own confession of an existance creator of design for starters. I can not find an athiest that is trully a disbeiver in any sort of an existance creator.
So what have you got to say to that?
Posted by Im_Intelligent 3 years ago
Im_Intelligent
in just your first argument alone its clear you dont even understand how evolution works, and that you have an aggressive bias towards those who actually study these things, lets see if you back up your claims this time so called "2far4u2CharlesDarwin" :)
Posted by Im_Intelligent 3 years ago
Im_Intelligent
Back at it again i see.
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