Does the fact that science can't say what happened before the Big Bang suggest there must be a God?
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Started: | 1/29/2019 | Category: | Religion | ||
Updated: | 3 years ago | Status: | Post Voting Period | ||
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The Big Bang theory is a very good theory - it explains everything from one Planck Time after the Big Bang till now. I'm not disputing that, I agree that the Big Bang is the most likely cause for how our universe is today. But the something-from-nothing explanation that we're given back in High School 1) seems a bit off- if you can't prove the universe was the size of a pinhead (which then grew to the size of the solar system almost instantly, But that's not the part I'm disputing), Then why tell us? 2) if our universe was formed from the universe before this collapsing in on itself, Where did that stuff come from? Why does anything exist? How are the intricate muscles of human hands typing this, If they shouldn't exist in the first place? I can't accept that there isn't a God. As soon as Science can tell me what happened between 0 and 10^-43 seconds (that's one planck-time), I will throw my hands down and become an Atheist. Explain, If you will accept, How you believe there isn't a God, And still believe in the Big Bang.
This will be short easy and swift. 1. Which god out of the roughly 4200 religions that are in existence dump roll oh pretty please with beef jerky on top. . . Now? So who knows how many religions have died off in the history of man? Thus that would leave the question of how many gods from how many religions that have previously existed? Then you have to ask the question why only "a god"? Why not thousands, Hundreds of thousands, Billions, Trillions, Quadrillions? Since you do not have an answer to that, Your answer is "I don't know". Another question that you do not have an answer to is why a "god"? Since you do not have an answer to that question, Your answer once again is "I don't know. " I will save you a lot of trouble. . . Nobody, Not one person in the history of the human race has ever been able to prove that a "god" or anything from the supernatural has ever existed. Since this is true, And the B. O. P. Is upon you, You would need to test, Demonstrate YOUR god. Once that's done, You would need to assert this god. Once that's done you would need to declare this god to scientific communities from around the world so that believability can occur into fact. But then again, And this took place on yesterday's Atheist Experience. . . Matt Dillahunty: Let"s imagine for a second that I"m god and I"m cool and the book I"m writing is "If I were god". Would we even be sitting here discussing whether or not there"s a god? Because if I"m god and I"m cool the first thing I"m gonna do is let everybody know "Hey I"m god and I"m cool" and the argument"s over! You can have other arguments like how cool I am or why am I not doing this or that. But at least there can be no argument that I exist. The least cool thing you could do is play the world"s longest game of hide-n-go-seek. John Iacoletti: Instead you have a bunch of mental gymnastics of why its not good to question why I exist or not. Matt: Yeah so imagine that what if I use the example before, What if I never met my parents and there"s always a note on the refrigerator door written by somebody else telling me what to do. Would it even be in the scope of reality that my parents actually loved me or cared for me or wanted me to know that they were real? Do I have any reason to think that they are real? If I was god and I saw all these other people saying "god said this god said this" "No I f--king didn"t. I didn"t say that. " How uncool is it for god to remain unsilent? Its like it gets back to one of my favorite things from Tracie Harris (I"m going to be using her actual quote here) Tracie Harris "If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would. That"s the difference between me and your god. He watches and shuts the door and you go ahead and you rape that child and when your"re done I"m gonna punish you. If I did that people would think I"m a freakin" monster. " Matt: None of us would do that. Hector Garcia: god would tell the Westboro baptist church "No I hate figs! " Matt: I would say based on divine hedonist, Based on the problem of evil that Hector was raising and other stuff, I think we can state conclusively that there is no god that is cool. There is no god that is caring that wants to engage with people. That god is pretty much defeated by the fact that there"s a billion people that think that god has told them different things and that there"s been no correction from god. Hector: Yeah. Just the volume of human suffering that is possible. And all the anguishes that we can experience. Caller: Well you know and you bring up cancer and that"s what I lost my fiance too. John: Sorry. Caller: Thank you. I appreciate that. It would have been nice. If you're gonna take the love of my life at least give me somethin" here. Comfort me. Somethin". Btw, Science doesn't know everything. For you to expect science too is simply ridiculous, Childish and outlandish. If you don't know something, "I don't know" is the proper answer. You cannot blame your unanswered questions on a supposed god that's never been proved. That's not science. What it is, Is a complete absurdity. |
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I say "A God", Simply because that's what most of the people in the world believe exists. But I'm not limiting it to "A God". I don't care if we refer to "A God" as "one God" or "many gods" or even "a god". It can be whatever. My question was how you could agree with the Big Bang, And still remain an Atheist. In effect, I'm asking you to either explain to me what between 0 and one Planck-time or explain to me how the stuff from the pin-head (that's the size of the universe one Planck-time after the Big Bang) came into being. For this argument at least, The Burden of Proof lies on you, Not me. I'm not proving there is a god, You have to prove there isn't. But again, This isn't a debate on whether there is a god or not. This is a debate on how one can remain an Atheist and still believe the Big Bang happened.
I get it, So now you are changing the rules for the stipulations of your debate and you really don't have the foggiest idea as to what you are talking about - correct? "I can't accept that there isn't a God. " Is exactly to-the-letter what you stated. So do you want to take back what you stated back, Or not? "I say "A God", Simply because that's what most of the people in the world believe exists. But I'm not limiting it to "A God". " Oh yes god damned full of manure spread bile crap you are UNLESS you wish to take back your word OR forfeit this debate. Which is it? Until you answer one or the other questions, Whatever you have to say, This debate comes to a screeching halt and is on hold. |
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Sir, If you want, I will create another debate with a new name just to stop you raising hell about the stupid name I chose. But you're obviously avoiding the question I asked you twice, And it's obvious you don't have an answer. However, If you do have an answer, Then you will accept my challenge to another debate. If you don't accept my challenge, Then it just confirms you never had an answer, To begin with. So what will it be- back out like a coward or face the challenge head on?
It has nothing to do with the name you choose. It has everything to do with your communication skills. You cannot say one thing, Absolutely mean it, And then POOF says another and then mean it in the opposing corner unless you believe you are the god of the bible or Donald Rust Brain Trump easily the worst president this country has ever had as examples in which I do know that you are 100% better than both! Makes sense? See what I mean by your lack of communication skills? What question would that be that you've asked twice that you really didn't? I get it, I really do, YOU are completely avoiding YOUR headliner question that was easily pulverized, Not only by me, But by others who have posted on this debate, And YOU are trying to change the subject and YOU are not doing a very good job at it. Right? Nod "yes"! But sure, Compose another debate, My answers will still be the same. |
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Vote Placed by dsjpk5 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Calling Pro "childish" is poor conduct.
Vote Placed by timmyjames 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con was very condescending and rude. Grammar also goes to pro
And it isn't possible to know in the future. It's impossible, Simply because something can't come from nothing, And so in this one case, It could be "therefore, God". Of course, For nearly anything else you can't put that, But for this one example you can.
My point is that a lack of an explanation doesn't act as an explanation for something else. If we don't know something, How the hell does that lead you to "Must have been magic! "?