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ComradeAlexander
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ItsNate
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Donald Trump is a facist (or his works eventualy will lead to a facist nation)

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Started: 10/13/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ComradeAlexander

Pro

First round acceptance
Second round Present argument
Third round Comment on second round.
Con takes the position that Donald trumps work will not lead to a America more susceptive to radical fascism.
ItsNate

Con

I fail to understand why you would even begin to think this. What it means to be a "Fascist Nation" is that he would have total control over the government, The people, Over everything. And this would never even work in the first place, Because first off he would have to change multiple amendments and make new ones, Which takes about three-five weeks each. And while he is doing that Republicans, And Democrats would see what he is doing and veto those laws amendments asap. The whole idea that Trump is turning this government is a joke.
Debate Round No. 1
ComradeAlexander

Pro

Thank you for accepting this debate, Though the first round was acceptance only I hope voters will take this slight advantage into consideration.
The first thing we must do is define what Fascism, A expression which has changed since Mussolini first theorised it; it is important to note that the Nazis were in fact technically not fascists despite the common misconception, They were national socialists, Donald trump certainly doesn't advocate for more government control.
below here are the original promises of fascism

Italians! Here is the program of a genuinely Italian movement. It is revolutionary because it is anti-dogmatic, Strongly innovative and against prejudice.
For the political problem: We demand:
a) Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, With proportional representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women.
b) A minimum age for the voting electorate of 18 years; that for the office holders at 25 years.
c) The abolition of the Senate.
d) The convocation of a National Assembly for a three-years duration, For which its primary responsibility will be to form a constitution of the State.
e) The formation of a National Council of experts for labour, For industry, For transportation, For the public health, For communications, Etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, And elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.
For the social problems: We demand:
a) The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers.
b) A minimum wage.
c) The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions.
d) To show the same confidence in the labour unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants.
e) The rapid and complete systemization of the railways and of all the transport industries.
f) A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age; we propose to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age.
For the military problem: We demand:
a) The institution of a national militia with a short period of service for training and exclusively defensive responsibilities.
b) The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.
c) A national policy intended to peacefully further the Italian national culture in the world.

Many of the above points are irrelevant as this was published 100 years ago, But the similarities are rather obvious; The US is protected by a strong constitution which prevents trump from making many of these changes as you have said, But we can see many of his moves towards them, His appointment of Kavanaugh and his many other battles with the houses of government (the travel ban for example), Have positioned his supporters in such a fashion that they will oppose these houses in the future and view them as undemocratic.

Secondly, The way that he replaced almost all the Obama administration ministers with his own, Removing much opposition, Which is very similar to political problem E. The way that Trump has presented himself as a hero of the rust belt worker is also suspect, As populist parties IE: socialists, Fascists, Trump, Bernard Sanders ECT. . . , Present themselves as heroes of the disenfranchised, The difference being that socilists aim to seize the means of production while Trump and Fascists seek to simply replace the leaders. I disagree with many on the left who would label exclusively buying American goods as fascist, But must accept that it is a iconic trait.

The final category is where the most glaring similarities appear, Donald Trumps corporate interests moving him away from the more worker friendly adjustments. Donald trumps vast investments into defence not simply for the sake of intervention but also parades act as a way for him to boost nationalist pride, Strengthening the zeal of his patriotic base without changing anything in their lives. The ideas of a strong army while not inherently fascist are when used in such a fashion. Exporting American culture can be seen in the way he has moved in Israel and Palestine, Applying American standards to these places. The fashion in which he has portrayed being American as mutually exclusive to being Latino or Muslim (quotes such as When he called Mexicans rapists and murderers spring to mind). Creating these racial divisions is a device with which he stokes nationalism which is the key ingredient to a fascist takeover.

One should not need to point out that making America great again is near identical to the idea of a Italian movement for Italians; nor the idea that America first again links to such ideas as exporting American influence.

In conclusion the question was not 'will Trump make America fascist' nor was it a question of weather or not fascism is even bad', It was 'is Trump a fascist' a question which I hope I have proven is answered by the word yes. Trumps fascism is different, As I said it has been 100 years, The populist crowed he appeals to values corporatism and capitalism and he has adapted to provide it; his prejudiced is the American conservative voice, His senate includes the media and others who would oppose his image of a true America. Trump has been unable to directly break America due to its strong constitution but all the pieces are in place for such a change to no longer seem a million miles away. Fascists don't arrive promising death camps and dictatorship, It promises change and a return to 'better times'.

"When fascism comes to America, It will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross, " - Sinclair Lewis
ItsNate

Con

ItsNate forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
ComradeAlexander

Pro

My opponent seems to have 'peaced out', So I will be leaving this debate here unless they come back, However another person has challenged my views on this topic which I will link here.
https://www. Debate. Org/debates/why-I-am-ignorant-to-this-debate/1/
Thank you kindly
ItsNate

Con

ItsNate forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by zayugh 3 years ago
zayugh
ComradeAlexander is absolutely ignorant on this argument.
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