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Education for Children Should Be Mandated in the United States of America.

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Started: 10/30/2018 Category: Education
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1776debater

Con

First Round is Acceptance and First Arguments. Logical Fallacies will not be permitted

The United States was formed on the basis of the philosophy of the likes of John Locke, William Blackstone, And Adam Smith. Namely, That the people and the Individual is far more intelligent and important than the greater whole of society and its contract. This is especially true in the case of the management of familial and community units. However, These ideas are falling by the wayside. Nowhere is this more felt than in our public school system.
Every human being has a right to an education. The government has seen fit to interpret this as meaning that every human MUST be forced to get a government provided education. There have been few tragedies that fly as directly into the face of our principles as this abomination. First, The government is abusing a system meant to help those with fewer resources. The public school system was never meant to be the main source of education in America. It was meant to supply poor families with a more affordable option. The rest of the schools were built and operated privately, By those wishing to progress the human race. However, Over time, The government began to create and enforce more regulations upon the curriculum of these schools, And the schools that were accepting public funds (which should never have happened in the first place) became dependent on the funds provided by the government, Which then dictated what could or could not be taught by these schools. This has lead to a population of government worshippers who believe that every problem the United States has faced has been solved by government, From slavery and racism to the great depression. This could not be less true, And is leading us down a very dark path of big government movements like the Socialist state dreams of Ocasio-Cortez and other campus radicals who have been brainwashed into believing the trash spouted by the government about such matters as the role of our Founding Fathers, Of Racism, And of the New Deal. One wonders why the products of our government run school system are supporting the growth of our government. They have been turned into Alinsky"s useful idiots, Serving the system they were trained to blindly follow and strengthen.
Secondly, This leads to the death of choice. Now, Every single American citizen is forced by law under penalty of fines and the Social Services to attend an educational course for "between 175 and 180 days of school and/or between 900 and 1, 000 hours of instructional time per year, Depending on the grade level (Center For Public Education). " This is one of the most obvious examples of subjugation that has ever been present in the United States. With these mandates, The government is implying that they, As the "ruling body, " know what is best for the population and that they should therefore be able to force their ideas upon us. It"s disgusting, And is an obvious violation of the underlying and fundamental principles of the United States of America. There should certainly be trust in the ability of parents to choose what is best for their children, But this idea is being ridiculed and destroyed by the government. Why? Because, As said by Brutus in the Anti-federalist number one, "it is a truth confirmed by the unerring experience of ages, That every man, And every body of men, Invested with power, Are ever disposed to increase it, And to acquire a superiority over every thing that stands in their way. " This is also backed up by Abigail Adams in her assertion that "Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could, " in her Braintree letter to John Adams on March 31, 1776. The most well known statement of this type is "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, " which was written by lord Acton.
There is an obvious solution to this problem. The Common Core government program must be overturned and replaced by independent and privatised schools. We must have faith that there will always be Individuals such as Benjamin Franklin and Abraham Lincoln, Who adhere to the principle of scholar empowered learning. Anyone who refuses to attend a school should have that choice, As those people exist now and are simply a drain on resources and serve as distractions to those scholars who are willing to learn. A choice based system would eliminate the need for internal the discipline issues of today"s school systems. This would also free Individuals from large taxes going toward indoctrination programs and drains such as those mentioned above. This system would force schools to compete for attendance like businesses, Ensuring that only the best would thrive, As the Free Market was meant to do.
Of course, This will lead to more uneducated members of society who refused to take the initiative of education. Those people exist now, Though. They go through the Public School System refusing to retain knowledge and acting as a drain on resources, Tax dollars, And time. A choice system would only make these people easier to notice.
One might also object that people would not be able to learn the difference between right and wrong, As is taught in Kindergarten and Elementary schools. However, With a choice system, Parents would still have the prerogative to teach right and wrong, Which would also be reinforced by church and normal social interactions. The parents who would not have that prerogative would be the same ones who don"t know either, Which would make no difference.
In the end, The only downsides are negated by the fact that they are also the pitfalls facing us now, Whereas the merits of this proposed system are self evident: increased freedom, Better education, And a sense of independence from the government which is healthy in a Free Society.

Works Cited
Gatto, John. "How Public Education Cripples Our Kids, And Why. " The Natural Child Project. Https://www. Naturalchild. Org/articles/guest/john_gatto2. Html. Accessed 15 October 2018.
"What is School Choice? " ed Choice. Https://www. Edchoice. Org/school-choice/what-is-school-choice/. Accessed 15 October 2018.
Hull, Jim. "Time in school: How does the U. S. Compare? " Center for Public Education. Http://www. Centerforpubliceducation. Org/research/time-school-how-does-us-compare. Accessed 15 October 2018.
Adams, Abigail. Letter to John Adams, Braintree March 31, 1776.
Brutus. Anti-Federalist Brutus I, October 18, 1787.
Lord Acton. Letter to Bishop Creighton, 1887.
billsands

Pro

You look at any back wards third world antion to see the result of such an absurd proposal the more education you have te more money you make the more uneducated people you have the more people will be on welfare and unemployed, Seriously are you on drugs?
Debate Round No. 1
1776debater

Con

First, I am not sure if you are educated or if you were forced to be, But if you were, It obviously is not being implemented in your life, As evidenced by your atrocious spelling and grammar (this system even has spell check). Of course, If English is not your native language, This is forgivable.

Second, What I inferred from your argument was that you feel that third world counties are not as well developed because they don't have compulsory education. This is patently false.

Out of the top 5 third world counties according to HDI (nationsonline. Org):

In Kenya " primary school is free and compulsory" (epdc. Org)

In Sao Tome and Principe "primary school is mandatory. " (borgenproject. Org)

Pakistan is dedicated to "provide free and compulsory education for a minimum period" (norric. Org) and "has passed a law on
compulsory education (eight years of schooling). " (norric. Org)

Bangladesh "recently announced that it will extend free and compulsory primary education to all students through grade 8" (worldbank. Org)

This means that 4/5 of the top 3rd world countries provide some form of compulsory education. Their position as "back wards" as you said, Is based upon their cultures, As well as their history of political and military unrest.

Third, You are correct in that people with more education are typically payed better, But also pay more taxes. (collegeboard. Org) Therefore it should be easy for people to CHOOSE to get educated, And not be forced into it.

Fourth, I would argue that Welfare should be abolished as well, But that is a separate debate, So I will say that those who are forced to be educated now against their will are already prone to fail in seizing the initiative to succeed and will therefore end up on welfare anyway and take more taxpayer money by leaching off of the education system.

Fifth, If educated people make more money, Why would blue collar employers not hire more uneducated people who are not in a position to demand more pay? If anything, This would increase their prospects of finding a job, Albeit a menial one.

And finally, Me being or not being on drugs has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. I am not, Incidentally, But this weak jab at my validity as a debater shows how little you care about building a sound logical (or, In this case, Psychoanalytical) foundation for your assertions.
billsands

Pro

billsands forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
1776debater

Con

As my opponent obviously has nothing further to contribute, I will refrain from adding any additional information.
billsands

Pro

billsands forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Block.19 3 years ago
Block.19
John Locke, William Blackstone, And Adam Smith did not want everyone to be educated, As having a plurality of educated individuals would limit their power and influence.
Posted by Thoht 3 years ago
Thoht
Con, If you'd like you can challenge me directly on this issue.
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