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Extremist parties work in the short term (communism, Socialism, Fascism, Anarchy)

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Started: 10/11/2018 Category: Politics
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schadenfreude1

Pro

You can change my mind on the topic as I am new to this.
(Authoritarianism will not count for this argument)
I will establish 2 arguments;
1. Extremist regimes generally establish basic needs (education, Wealth-fare, Housing, Jobs) early on in the starting of the government or dictatorships.
2. What they do after always leads to the downfall of the country.

To understand why they generally do well at the start is in the way they run the country, For this debate I will be using Tito's S. F. R. As an example in my argument.

Tito established a communist dictatorship in Yugoslavia in 1945, Granting states some independence, Allowing to govern them self but they lose many benefits if they try to claim independence. He established schools and universities, Made healthcare as a federal thing, Life expectancy went up by 10 years and the economy was going up.
Sonofcharl

Con

Hello.

A discussion rather than an argument maybe. Given the format of Pro's presentation.

"Authoritarianism will not count for this argument"?

All social systems can be regarded as exhibiting some degree of authoritarianism. So to dismiss authoritarianism out of hand would makes this discussion pretty worthless.

Collective human behaviour is naturally hierarchical, Therefore aspirations of social equality will always be notional.

a) Socialism is a theoretical utopia. Therefore any "Party" that claims to be socialist is misleading the populace from the outset. In fact I would suggest that a Socialist Party is actually a contradiction in terms.

b) Communism by definition contradicts itself. On the one hand it suggests equality and on the other it necessitates the observance of natural hierarchy. Communist Parties are therefore reliant on authoritarianism to maintain order.

c) Fascism is an out and out authoritarian system, That is reliant on oppression and subjugation. As such fascism has no short term merit as an inclusive social system.

d) Do the words anarchy and party have any real relevance to each other? And isn't anarchy the antithesis of society?
Anarchy is chaotic non-governance and as such is only temporarily beneficial to the individual rather than beneficial to the collective.

e) Tito's regime was somewhat more liberal than other counterpart Eastern European regimes of the time, But nonetheless authoritarian.

Even liberal democracies rely on authority to maintain social order. Of course the benefit of such social systems is the built in quick fix counter to short term disillusionment. Though in this respect democratically implemented social policies are not necessarily guaranteed any greater long term success.

What actually is extreme?
Surely things can be as extremely liberal as they can be oppressive. Maybe things can even be extremely moderate. I would suggest that an extremity is probably only relative to the opposing viewpoint.

Dictatorship?
Perhaps all social government systems are dictatorial to a lesser or greater extent.
Debate Round No. 1
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Sonofcharl

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@ schadenfreude1

Oh!
I was looking forward to an interesting discussion.
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