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Slushii
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Dausume
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Flat Earth

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Started: 3/6/2018 Category: Science
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Slushii

Con

I believe the Earth is a globe and there is no proof otherwise in any sense and can be explained using logic or basic science, and i can confidently argue any argument with this point, i am new to this site so i wish to get a good debate on something easy before diving into Philosophy.
Dausume

Pro

Personally I believe that the earth is an almost spherical object. I figured I would BS this for fun though.
There is such a thing as wrapping boundaries in Computer simulations and if you made the particles on each symmetrically opposite side of the flat earth instantaneously exchange positions as you cross such a boundary you could have a flat earth while maintaining a scientific illusion that it is a globe. You could create instance illusions to falsify science seem real, or simply manipulate people in power while mixing in a bit of the true nature of the world to reinforce the illusion. Or just fix the results of experiments so they seem reasonable Whenever someone attempts them.
This could be done either by a group that is significantly more advanced technologically or a naturally powerful being that can bend reality to their will and deceive us. (Basically a God)
Debate Round No. 1
Slushii

Con

Wrapping boundaries in a computer simulation are only there to allow the simulation to display a physical 3d object in a 2d form, this is commonly used in topology as well to display objects such as a Mobius strip onto a 2d graph to represent point on the plane, but this is only to demonstrate higher dimensions in a lower dimension. For this to be possible in our reality to reinforce this illusion that would mean our whole existence and reality must be a simulation with a full control over our universe. Such a race that is this powerful is highly unlikely according to our current knowing of physical limitations known to us, therefore is most probably not true. Powerful people's opinions do not shape reality, and private studies that are not fixable would still be conducted, as they did, coming to a different conclusion. Maintaining this illusion would be more work than creating a reality where the Earth is truly a Globe, therefore a race of their intellect would choose to do that
Dausume

Pro

Wrapping boundaries does not only serve those purposes. In the case of the 2-D Ising Model computer simulation the wrapping of the properties in fact reflects the real behavior of the system. A flat two dimensional lattice will behave as though the molecules on the opposite side of the lattice are directly next to them.
Also, there is no reason to believe a race could not grow to be that powerful given time, and if this were to be the case the knowledge on physical limitations would have been falsified from the beginning. In the view of such a race, a reality where earth is flat may be more easily sustainable whilst our perception of reality being a globe and having the surroundings we possess may be more beneficial for their studies. In such a case they may have placed us in a reality where the laws of reality are more easily deduced to see the evolution in such a case.
Plus, there is no reason to believe a being wasn't born with the ability to bend reality, whom may be willful.
Debate Round No. 2
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