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God doesn't love you or the world

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Started: 11/6/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Luffinator

Pro

What most Christians would prefer to believe is that there is a God who loves us with all his heart including the world. But what they don't think about is that how would God (who loves us much) let Hitler who is one of the most dangerous yet known to man person on the planet, Who spent his life killing thousands of Jews. Let him live very long. But comparing to a kid who is only four and has been diagnosed with cancer. God would decide to let the child die rather than Hitler. Why would he let hundreds of school kids get shot up and killed or wounded, Yet he still loves the world so much to let school shooter even shoot up the school in the first place. He lets thousands of kids die of many different ways, Bringing controversy and sadness to many families, But not let those that deserve to die, Die. You Christians claim that this is some sort of test, While I found it as genocide. He will let millions die, Just because he can't get over the fact that Adam and Eve ate a single apple. Change my mind.
HurricaneStorm37

Con

John 3:16- For God so loved the world, That he gave his only begotten son, That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, But have everlasting life.
This verse says it all. God loves us, More than we can ever imagine. He gave his own son, Let him die to atone for our sins. God lets bad things happen not because he doesn't love us, But because he wants us to trust in him and put our faith in him. Every one will die eventually, And just because God allowed a young child to die does not mean he doesn't love the child. In fact, God is just. If a child passes away before the 'age of understanding', The child goes to heaven. God does this because he loves us and is fair to us. Furthermore, The Holocaust was not God's fault. It was the Jews themselves. When the Jewish people crucified Jesus, They said, "Let the blood be upon us and our children. " Millenia later, The effect is taking place. The Diaspora, Or the scattering is one of them. The Holocaust is another. God did not allow this to happen out of his own accord, But the Jews brought it upon themselves. Even though school shootings happen, God is not to blame for that. All the shooters have been influenced by Satan and his vile deceptions. God has forgiven Adam and Eve for their past transgressions, But the sin brought into the world by them cannot be undone. However, If you are saved, You can go into heaven where everything will be perfect, Without any sorrow or sin. Finally, I would like to end my argument with a couple Bible verses telling of God's love and care.

1 John 4:16- And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, And God in him.
1 Peter 5:7- Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Debate Round No. 1
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by GuitarSlinger 3 years ago
GuitarSlinger
@billsands How do you know it's God that gives kids cancer?

@logicalcat181 If GOd does exist, Then the fact YOU exist is one sign that God loves you, Otherwise you wouldn't exist.
Posted by logicalcat181 3 years ago
logicalcat181
I honestly don't beleive in god. But if he was real, You're right, He doesn't love us.
Posted by billsands 3 years ago
billsands
what sort of god gives kids cancer for no reason either there is no god or god is a total butt hole
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
Punishing the children for the crimes of the parents is an immoral act. (A&E)
Killing one man for the crimes of others is an immoral act. (Nailing J. C. To a cross)
Following a book of rules is an act of obedience not morality.
The only way by which god can be a morally perfect being is under the axioms of his own framework. For no moral compass can be objective unless subject to, And the focus of the displayed definition of morality itself.
Getting people accustomed to following divine commands regardless of their consequences or reasonableness " and always thinking that this is "moral" " is a wonderful means for priming people to follow the commands of any other leader as well" especially one that purports to speak on behalf of or in defense of traditional religion.
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
If Jesus is God then presumably he is omnipotent. If this is true, Then when he allowed himself to be sacrificed, Didn"t he do this with the knowledge that he was immortal? If so, Then how exactly was it a sacrifice for him? What did he sacrifice? Two days off for an immortal being does not a death payment make.
It is a contradiction to say that god (an omnipotent, Omniscient being) would need to test us. God is all-knowing. It knows everything, Future and past. This is the omniscient monotheistic God. Such a God exists outside of time, And can see all future and past events as if they've all already happened. This chain of events has all been created by God, From beginning to end. God is immovable, Immutable, Beyond time. As a result of all this, God clearly knows what tests we will pass and fail. God knows if we are largely moral or largely immoral. It knows why we transgress, And it knows in detail every reason and factor that ultimately causes us to go wrong. God therefore never needs to test anyone. God knows, Even without doing a test, What the results of the test will be. Strangely, In James 1:13 it says that no-one can say that God has tempted them with evil, Because "God tempteth no man". These contradictions to logic, And, Contradictions to other verses, Clearly indicate that the authors of the Bible did not have a particularly good grasp of theology or philosophy, And could not have been inspired by God to write what they wrote!
Posted by WhoPutYouOnThePlanet 3 years ago
WhoPutYouOnThePlanet
Well it already failed to be logical, So it might as well not be civil.
Posted by DeletedUser 3 years ago
DeletedUser
Keep it civil please.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@SunFire - Yeah you are truly as ignorant AND as stupid AND as arrogant as they come. Wow. Did YOUR jesus christ SUFFER in agonizing horrific pain especially while dying on the cross? Y____? N____? Why that's a belching YES according to YOUR religion. And you pathetic so-called christians consider that, Especially Con, To somehow in your warped brains to be a "good" thing. Oh but wait, Once again YOU nor anyone can prove that YOUR god or even christ exists. Sheesh. Now tell me or anyone. . . What can children, And you are a child and so is Con, Learn from horrific pain and suffering? If you've answered "nothing", You've answered correctly.
Now I will happily debate YOUR ignorance on ANYTHING in regards to YOUR god, Religion and bible provided that its reasonable and grounded and provided that DDO will post arguments in which case they drop ---everybody's--- arguments, And who knows when and why they do it, So the arguments may have to go into the comments section. Set it up. You go first with your ultimate primo knowledge since you think you are so smort, Sorry smart. 5 RDS 10, 000 characters. Now if for a single moment I catch you at not knowing what you are squawking about, Thus inventing excuses for something in which you claim to have knowledge upon in which case you really don't and yet you pretend that you do, You can count on it that I WILL insult, Degrade and dehumanize you as that is my right because I do know better. This is something you will learn in college should you ever get that far. OR because of your absolute buffoonery, I will let you know, And simply end the debate right then and there because I only deal with those that are intelligent and educated. Care to take me on? Y____? N____?
Posted by SunFire 3 years ago
SunFire
All of you who are saying Con didn't prove enough, Con actually did. Don't criticize people when you yourself aren't brave enough to do so and debate Pro. Also, Since you talk so much @backwardseden and @WhoPutYouOnThePlanet, Why don't you go and prove that what you are saying is correct?
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
So Con MUST ignorantly think, Believe and live by that suffering, Pain, Torturing is somehow a very appealing and a good thing? That's the true insanity of his god in which, Naturally, He cannot prove even exists, Thankfully.
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