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Descriptist10
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Governor Northam should resign

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Started: 2/6/2019 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Eugenious

Pro

Because of his racism and his views on abortion, Among other things, Governor Northam should resign. My opponent will have to prove that these views either don't really exist or that they aren't bad views. Please be respectful, And good luck to my opponent!
Descriptist10

Con

Although Governor Northam may have done some racist things, They are not grounds for resignation. His views on abortion are also barbaric, Yet they are not grounds for resignation. Resignation should only occur when the person in question is incapacitated, Unable to serve, Or breaks the law. The First Amendment entitles us the Right of Free Speech, No matter how preposterous the statement might be. As long as the statement doesn't cause or heavily insight harm, It is perfectly legal. The governor posing in a racist photograph is protected by the First Amendment. Furthermore, In defense of the governor, The photograph was taken when he was in medical school, All the way back in 1984, Over 35 years ago. People do stupid things in college. The governor admitted his wrongdoing and even confessed to covering his face with shoe polish to resemble Michael Jackson. The governor apologized and I believe that he is sincere. What happened 35 years ago happened 35 years ago. And regarding his stance on abortion, He is still protected by the First Amendment no matter how sickening his stance might be. If the governor signs a bill into law affirming abortion after viability, The courts must surely strike it down as unconstitutional. In conclusion, The governor is protected by the First Amendment and has not broken any laws.
Debate Round No. 1
Eugenious

Pro

If the Governor is protected, Then so are all the other people that the democrats label as "racist" or "sexist. " Using their logic, Governor Northam should resign. Plus, If the speech or message being presented does present some inciting of violence, Then it isn't protected. His (as you put it "barbaric"- a very precise term), Abortion views DO, By definition, Incite violence against the baby. Based on these facts, He should resign.
Descriptist10

Con

This is not an argument of partisanism as you state, But an argument of committing a crime. Hypocrisy is still not committing a crime. Your claim that Governor Northam is inciting violence by authorizing abortions is also invalid. Federal Law states that abortion is legal and can not be prohibited until viability has passed. The controversial abortion bill in question would allow abortions up to the day of birth is still legal according to Federal Law because a baby only gains rights when it is born. Furthermore, Governor Northam is still protected by the First Amendment when he endorses after birth infanticide. Something like that would never pass and if so, The courts would strike it down. But this hasn't happened yet so it can't be used as evidence for why he should resign. Another point that I forgot to mention is that Governor Northam is an elected official. He was elected to serve as Governor of Virginia. Resigning from an office that is elective should only occur under extreme circumstances. A photograph that the Chicago Tribune deems as possible obliviousness instead of racism that was taken 35 years ago when Governor Northam was 25 years old is not an extreme circumstance. Endorsement of after birth infanticide, Which has not been enforced, Is still not an extreme circumstance. Furthermore, If Governor Northam did resign, He would be replaced by Lieutenant Governor Justin Fairfax who is currently being accused of sexual assault, An actual crime.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Eugenious 3 years ago
Eugenious
Wow. I really wish at least SOMEONE had voted on this. Well, I guess it's a tie! Well done!
-Eugenious
Posted by Descriptist10 3 years ago
Descriptist10
@IzzysDad, Actually, Nevermind, I just realized that arguments have ended, I'm still getting used to this, Sorry.
Posted by Descriptist10 3 years ago
Descriptist10
@IzzyDad, Thank you for your comment. I will be sure to address it in my next arguement.
Posted by IzzysDad 3 years ago
IzzysDad
Apparently the AG (next in line of succession after Fairfax) has now admitted to having dressed as a black rapper when he was 19. The next in the line of succession is the republican speaker of the VA house. A fair question would be whether a republican resign over similar allegations. Is it really is in the best interest of democrats politically to establish a "zero tolerance" policy just to distinguish themselves from President Trump or is that is really just beating up their own friends and which risks driving moderates who voted for Northam away from the party. It is also worth noting that the source of the disclosures against Northam and Fairfax appears to be a group which has an agenda which might not have the best interest of either African Americans or victims of sexual violence at heart, And for democrats to give them what they want could be "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Then there is the question of whether some voters might have legitimate concerns over a policy of "retroactive zero tolerance". Is it the case that voters actually value "purity" in their representatives, Or is it the case that many ordinary voters realize they themselves might not meet a retroactive zero tolerance standard if you were to look at everything they said or did when they were half their current age?
Posted by billsands 3 years ago
billsands
probably turn about is fair play
Posted by DeletedUser 3 years ago
DeletedUser
OF COURSE, HE SHOULd
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