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RLow
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daveythestrange
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Gun Control

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Started: 3/9/2018 Category: News
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RLow

Pro

Gun Control
Ryan Low
"The massacre in Las Vegas killed 58 people and wounded 489 who were crowded together into one field." Guns have harmed many people in the U.S, but lately people are trying to fix this problem by supplying more guns. The NRA wants to supply teachers with guns, but they aren't doing anything about the guns being sold. After the latest Sandy hook high school shooting it has brought up the topic of gun control. Although there is not one solution to this problem, I would like to bring into light gun control. My opinion is that America should be more strict of our gun policy because guns are to easy to get, we don"t need heavy guns, and that there have been to many mass shootings.

Firstly, guns are to easy too get. At theweek.com it states, "Vermont is "home to the nation's most permissive gun laws," reporter Paul Heintz explained, saying all he had to do was Google "AR-15 Vermont," get in touch with a seller, and a few emails later they had arranged to exchange the weapon in a parking lot " no ID, background check, license, or wait required." The bad people that use guns to commit a crime don"t care about the law. If we create a new law it won"t change how criminals behave. Laws don"t prevent criminal behavior. They determine a punishment after a law is broke. What we need to do is make it more difficult to purchase guns. If guns get sold so easily how does that prevent somebody emotionally unstable from hurting themself or someone else? Buying a gun in america is as easy as getting a background check and buying the gun. At nytimes.com it states "Pass an instant background check that includes criminal convictions, domestic violence and immigration status. Buy a gun." If it is this easy to get a gun in america, we should definitely fear for our lives. If we pass a bill that keeps stores from selling heavy guns we can sleep tight knowing we at least have something to prevent people from getting heavy guns. A quote from obama says "In 2013 more than 500 kids lost their lives to gun accidents, about 50 of them were children under the age of 5 years old." If the U.S can"t do anything to prevent this, than how will we make any progress? The U.S can prevent this by having a stricter gun policy. In this statement Obama talks a lot about mentally unstable people getting guns. All they have to do is get a background check. If it"s clear they just got a gun. Not a gun for self defense though, a gun to harm people with.

Furthermore, we don"t need heavy guns. At nypost.com it says that "One of the guns that the retired accountant used to kill nearly 60 people at a county music festival was an AR-15 rifle, which he had outfitted with a "bump stock," making it capable of rapid fire." A shooter got their hands on a gun that was originally meant for military use and added a bump stock for rapid fire. This shooting killed nearly 60 people. With these lives lost why do we still sell things like bump stocks? At theatlantic.com it states "The assault rifle is a class of weapon that emerged in the middle of the last century to meet the needs of combat soldiers on the modern battlefield, where the level of violence had reached such heights that an entirely new way of fighting had emerged." What assault rifles were originally manufactured for warfare and the battlefield, not for civilians. They were manufactured as such heavy guns they were used only in the military. Eventually assault rifles made their way to the civilians and it became normal for people to purchase them.

Lastly, there have been to many mass shootings. At theguardian.com "No other developed nation comes close to the rate of US gun violence. Americans own an estimated 265m guns, more than one gun for every adult." There are no other nations that come close to America's gun violence. Out of 195 nations none of them come remotely close to the U.S. With no action to stop this chain now, how will we ever do anything to stop it. This is America's opportunity to make a change and stop these mass shootings. Go to https://www.theguardian.com... to see how devastating this iformation can be. At nytimes.com it states "After a debate on the State Senate floor on Monday, Republican legislative leaders struck a compromise that would keep guns away from teachers, but keep guns in schools. How? By arming librarians, counselors and coaches." This shows the senate and NRA just want to sell guns. They want to fix our gun problem in America by making more guns. If we supply more guns how can we prevent gun problems? The more guns we supply the higher the risk of a shooting. Another quote from theguardian.com states "Just seven weeks into 2018, there have been eight shootings at US schools that have resulted in injury or death." There were already 8 school shootings just 7 weeks into 2018, that's more than 1 school shooting a week. This definitely shows there have been to many mass shootings in America. This also supports that america should be more strict on its gun policy.

Some people might defend America's gun policy by referencing our 2nd amendment rights but do we really need heavy guns and bump stocks for our safety. The 2nd amendment states "A well regulated 14 54 Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The 2nd amendment is saying we have the right to bare arms for our own security. Do you really think you'll need a military weapon to protect yourself. Taking away the military used guns won't solve the whole gun problem but it can certainly help reduce the amount of gun violence in the U.S.

In conclusion, America should be way more strict on it"s gun policy because guns are to easy to get, we don"t need heavy guns, and that there have been to many mass shootings. I think this matters because if we don"t do anything to stop all the shootings, we need to make a change on America"s gun policy while we can so we can make America safer and a better place.
daveythestrange

Con

Okay, so this was a mistake clicking on because I didn't read it all the way through. So this is not my personal opinion, but I don't want to leave you hanging so I'll argue the other side.

Gun control doesn't deter crime, gun ownership does.

A Nov. 26, 2013 study found that, between 1980 and 2009, "assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level" and "states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murders." While gun ownership doubled in the twentieth century, the murder rate decreased. John R. Lott, Jr., PhD, author of More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws, stated, "States with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes... The effect on 'shall-issue' [concealed gun] laws on these crimes [where two or more people were killed] has been dramatic. When states passed these laws, the number of multiple-victim shootings declined by 84 percent. Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by 90 percent and injuries by 82 percent." A Dec. 10, 2014 Pew survey found that 57% of people believe that owning a gun protects them from being victimized. Journalist John Stossel explained, "Criminals don't obey the law… Without the fear of retaliation from victims who might be packing heat, criminals in possession of these [illegal] weapons now have a much easier job... As the saying goes, 'If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.'"

Gun control laws infringe upon the right to self defense and deny people a sense of safety.

According to the National Rifle Association (NRA), guns are used for self-defense 2.5 million times a year. The police cannot protect everyone all of the time. 61% of men and 56% of women surveyed by Pew Research said that stricter gun laws would "make it more difficult for people to protect their homes and families." Nelson Lund, JD, PhD, Professor at George Mason University School of Law, stated, "The right to self-defense and to the means of defending oneself is a basic natural right that grows out of the right to life" and "many [gun control laws] interfere with the ability of law-abiding citizens to defend themselves against violent criminals." Constitutions in 37 US states protect the right to bear arms for self-defense, most with explicit language such as Alabama's: "every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state." Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President of the NRA, stated, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." A May 9, 2013 48% of convicted felons surveyed admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed with a gun. Pew Foundation report found that 79% of male gun owners and 80% of female gun owners said owning a gun made them feel safer and 64% of people living in a home in which someone else owns a gun felt safer. Even Senator Dianne Feinstein, a gun control advocate, carried a concealed gun when her life was threatened and her home attacked by the New World Liberation Front in the 1970s.

Gun control laws give too much power to the government and may result in government tyranny and the government taking away all guns from citizens.

57% of people surveyed by Pew Research in Feb. 2013 said that gun control laws would "give too much power to the government over the people."
The NRA's Wayne LaPierre stated, "if you look at why our Founding Fathers put it [the Second Amendment] there, they had lived under the tyranny of King George and they wanted to make sure that these free people in this new country would never be subjugated again and have to live under tyranny." Alex Jones, radio host, in a Jan 7, 2013 interview with Piers Morgan, stated, "The Second Amendment isn't there for duck hunting, it's there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs… 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms!"

More gun control is unnecessary because relatively few people are killed by guns.

According to the CDC's "Leading Causes of Death Reports," between 1999 and 2013, Americans were 21.5 times more likely to die of heart disease (9,691,733 deaths); 18.7 times more likely to die of malignant tumors (8,458,868 deaths); and 2.4 times more likely to die of diabetes or 2.3 times more likely to die of Alzheimer's (1,080,298 and 1,053,207 respectively) than to die from a firearm (whether by accident, homicide, or suicide). The flu and related pneumonia (875,143 deaths); traffic accidents (594,280 deaths); and poisoning whether via accident, homicide, or suicide (475,907 deaths) all killed more people between 1999 and 2013 than firearms. Firearms were the 12th leading cause of deaths for all deaths between 1999 and 2013, responsible for 1.3% of deaths with 464,033 deaths. Internationally, the claim that the United States has a major problem with firearm homicide is exaggerated. The United States is ranked 28 in international homicide rates with 2.97 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2012.

More gun control is not needed; education about guns and gun safety is needed to prevent accidental gun deaths.

95% of all US gun owners believe that children should learn about gun safety. Guns don't kill people; people kill people. And people need more gun education and mental illness screening to prevent massacres. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, Inc (SAAMI), stated, "Whether in the field, at the range or in the home, a responsible and knowledgeable gun owner is rarely involved in a firearms accident of any kind." Heidi Cifelli, Former Program Manager of the NRA's Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program, stated, "Gun education is the best way to save young lives." The NRA states that the Eddie Eagle program is not meant to "teach whether guns are good or bad, but rather to promote the protection and safety of children… Like swimming pools, electrical outlets, matchbooks, and household poison, they're [guns] treated simply as a fact of everyday life." According to Kyle Wintersteen, Managing Editor of Guns and Ammo, studies show that "children taught about firearms and their legitimate uses by family members have much lower rates of delinquency than children in households without guns" and "children introduced to guns associate them with freedom, security, and recreation—not violence."

Strict gun control laws do not work in Mexico, and will not work in the United States.

Mexico has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world and yet, in 2012, Mexico had 11,309 gun murders (9.97 gun homicides per 100,000 people) compared to the United States that had 9,146 gun homicides (2.97 per 100,000 people).
The country has only one legal gun store (the Directorate of Arms and Munitions Sales), compared to at least 63,709 legal gun stores and pawn shops in the United States as of Feb. 10, 2014. Mexico's gun store is on a secure military base and customers must present a valid ID, go through a metal detector, and turn over cellphones and cameras to guards. To actually buy a gun, customers have to show proof of honest income, provide references, pass a criminal background check, prove any military duties were completed with honor, and be fingerprinted and photographed. If allowed to purchase a gun, the customer may buy only one gun (choosing from only .38 caliber pistols or lower) and one box of bullets. Between 2006 and 2010, Mexico's one gun shop sold 6,490 guns, yet as of 2012, Mexicans own about 15,000,000 guns, or about 13.5 guns per 100 people.

https://gun-control.procon.org... is where all of these arguments are from. My own input will probably come in next round.


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Posted by jtlove 3 years ago
jtlove
rocinante: What data of John Lotts did not match with World Bank and Stastica, who data appears to match the FBI's? If your going to call it bad, specify what is bad.

Kind of funny if John Lott's is a hack and does not have good data, why won't Bloomberg (who is a major player in gun control)allow his cronies debate John. They refused to be aired at the same time as John Lott on CNBC or CSPAN, and they would not give a reason. They did not say it was because he had bad data?
Posted by rocinante 3 years ago
rocinante
Not sure where John R. Lott from (CPRC) is getting his data? Data available from the World Bank and Stastica contradicts CPRC findings. CPRC analysis is not a reliable resource.
Posted by Outplayz 3 years ago
Outplayz
"Too many mass shootings" ... have you even tried looking up the stats before your assertion? Since 1966 to 2016 there has been "only" just over 1k deaths from mass shootings. I would call that nothing, not too many. Imagine how many mass shootings have been stopped by gun ownership... never mind, i'll stop here and let con do the rest.
Posted by jtlove 3 years ago
jtlove
daveythestrange: Here is some great sources for supporting data.

Check out the the FBI UCI reports they have a lot of data, usually table 12 in their reports breaks down violent crimes by weapons used. You'll be surprised how little rifles are used https://ucr.fbi.gov.... According to FBI's data fist and legs are more lethal than an assault weapon. Numbers wise.

Most often when gun control lobbyist post a stat or reference a chart they made it is usually misleading cross-sectional data variables that have nothing to do with guns checkout this link and look for John Lott. https://crimeresearch.org...

The Crime Prevent Research Center (CPRC) has tons of research articles and data showing more guns, less crime and the effects of gun bias in research located here https://crimeresearch.org...

Great CPRC article on CNN, New York Times and other media outlets use of comparing the US with other countries and how the misrepresent the trust. https://crimeresearch.org...
Posted by Xantog 3 years ago
Xantog
this should be good.
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