Harvard is Wrong For Allowing Female only Gym Time to Accommodate Muslims
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| Started: | 3/12/2008 | Category: | Religion | ||
| Updated: | 14 years ago | Status: | Voting Period | ||
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 Pro Contrast that with how Muslims are specifically given their own gym time at Harvard. This is not simply separate time, i.e. Mens hours and Womens hours, but time allotted specifically for Muslim women. Other instances of Muslim accommodation are rampant across college campuses. From building feet washing rooms to split sex areas. Why do Liberal Colleges to go out of their way to accommodate Muslim religious needs, yet not do the same for Jewish and Christian needs? Is it because we consider their "convictions" greater than ours?? Is it fear?? I anxiously await someone explaining this to me.  Con |
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Pro First of all many Christians and Jews have very high standards of Modesty as well. As an Orthodox Jewish male who will not go to a co-ed Gym, separate Gym time for men would be a good start. Many Christian women feel similarly. If this request had been made by Christians or by Orthodox men, it would definitely have been denied or at the very least highly protested if granted. Other accommodations: Orthodox Jews must wash their hands in a special fashion before eating bread. Washing stations should be provided with washing cups in all cafeterias. At all Public events Kosher food should be given as well. Or how about the case of the Orthodox students at Yale that i mentioned in the opening argument? Or we could go to more extreme measures. It is forbidden for Orthodox Men to hear live women singing. Spontaneous outbursts of singing should be forbidden by women. Modest Dress should always be enforced. I cant really answer for all denominations of Christians, not being one, but I am sure there are numerous ways their religious lifestyles can be made easier on college campuses. There is plenty we could do to accommodate. But the question is, why when It is Muslims is the red carpet being rolled out when Jews and Christians have always been told that a Liberal College Campus is not a place for religion. Con One more thing i would like to point out. I wouldn't swear on it but I would think that the total number of muslim students would far outweigh the number of orthodox jews that would ask for similar accommodations. Therefore you and I will obviously hear about these accommodations being made more often. The real question is are you basically saying that some of our more liberal schools are anti-semitic? Is this what your argument is really about? I can take you on in that argument too. |
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Pro And currently in the United States there are more Jews than Muslims, and I would certainly argue that Harvard has more Orthodox Jews than devout Muslims. My argument (or question really) is that why did these colleges never try to accommodate Jewish students. You're answer seems to be that they are favoring Islam since they want more overseas Muslim students who would not come otherwise. A fair argument, but the Colleges should at the very least acknowledge that they are playing favorites when it comes to religious accommodations before more resentment is created. Con |
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First of all... you're an idiot who clearly does not want to debate the topic on the facts. And the topic of the debate was whether it was unfair to FAVOR a particular religion over others. I did not bring examples of how other religions are discriminated against (not like in the 20's, 30's, and 40's when Harvard had quotas of Jews they would allow in) but making accommodations to these religions..
What happened to the Jews at Yale wasn't anti-semitic, but wasn't trying to accommodate them. So the question still remains (antisemitism aside) why accommodate one religion and not the other.
Moron.
And this isn't about asking for accommodations. This is about Jews being denied (as in the case at Yale) and Muslims being granted.
And finally, who cares about numbers? Favoritism is favoritism, and if a college favors a particular religion regardless of how many there are, they must state that they are and explain why.
http://cityeconomist.blogspot.com...
At Harvard the percentage differnece is even greater. have you ever been to Harvard??
Jews are EVERYWHERE