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dinachen
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Azraeel
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High School and Middle School in the US should be reformed

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Started: 11/14/2018 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dinachen

Pro

I believe that high school and middle school should be reformed. I feel that high school and middle school as of now is useless. If you're not going to college, 96% of the things you learn in high school and middle school are not going to be used in your life. Although doing well in high school would help you get into a better college, High school is really not needed for college. This is because freshman year classes in college are going to teach you as if you know nothing at all about the subject, And later college classes may build on to what you learned Freshman year of high school. You don't really need middle school for high school either. In my opinion, The only courses you have to take in high school for graduation math, Personal finance, And drivers ed. Everything else should be optional. High school should have more electives so kids would have a better idea of what they would want to do out of high school. Electives that should be included in high school but are not include engineering, Composing, Health science OTJ programs, Etc.
Azraeel

Con

My opponent professed that the high school system of US should be reformed, But I refuse this motion by saying that he has the wrong incentives to do so. Anything springing from the wrong incentive can't be virtuous or good, Even if its effects in the short term appear as good. The point put forward is that most of what is taught in high-school is repeated in college and hence every subject except mathematics, Personal finances, And drivers ed should be optional. However, There are two loopholes visible to the sceptical eye.
The first one is that the instigator finds everything repetitive in college because it has been taught in high school. The argument can easily be manipulated to say that subjects taught in high school shouldn't be taught equally well in college. College simply brushes up the knowledge acquired in high school. It provides clarity and gives an extended time frame to the students to clear up their doubts about their subjects. Not everyone grasps in one go.
Secondly, The main aim of high school is to instil amongst students a good work ethic. One is loaded with work simply to be pushed beyond their boundaries. High school gives you a preview of what is to come next so that you may have an easy route trying to traverse through college.
Debate Round No. 1
dinachen

Pro

AP classes are often about equivalent to a college level class, And I see a lot of kids do well in it without ever taking the high school version of the class. Whatever you missed in high school would be easy to make up in college, This is especially the case because colleges often expect students to learn by themselves at first without the teacher. When students learn by themselves they often have the freedom to educate themselves on whatever they didn't learn in high school. I know college textbook would cover the things you didn't learn in high school. If they don't really do that you can always google things up on the internet. I know people who barely made it out of high school who turn it around to do well in college. I know people who failed chem or didn't take it, But ended up taking it in college and doing fine. Basically, A college class would go in more depth then a high school class. Plus alot of colleges offer astronomy, And alot of high schools don't have astronomy.
Azraeel

Con

The instigator forgot that I clearly mentioned the idea of work ethic. The idea of high school is that it's meant to be unnecessarily uncomfortable. Maybe college makes more sense but college isn't the way the world works. Often one has to do an exuberant amount of the same work for an extended period of time to furnish any kind of results. The world is imperfect in every sense of it and high-school portrays that. The basics and core concepts of a subject are often repeated in the university simply for the sake of recall and recognition. As for those who take astronomy, It's unusual for anyone to take those classes without a set ambition to do so. It's easy for the passionate and orderly to chase a goal. But for those who haven't discovered their way yet, The college provides an extended time window by reiterating the same lessons as taught in high-school so one may have a clear window of deciding if they really want the subject or not.
Debate Round No. 2
dinachen

Pro

As long as college goes over the stuff learned in high school, A student could coast through high school without learning anything and still be able to succeed in college(as long as they have the work ethic). If a student that squandered through high school could turn it around in college. If 95% of what you learn in high school is not going to be used if you're not going to college. Then technically high school right now is 100% useless. A good student in high school might believe that high school is needed and is college is just an extension of high school. But a crap student in high school that ended up turning it around in college might believe that high school really means jack squat.
Azraeel

Con

Azraeel forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by Thoht 3 years ago
Thoht
I agree with your opinion, But not your reasons.

Saying that you don't use the knowledge you gain in high school is silly. By simply learning material you are learning how to learn. An important skill for learning things. Learning things tends to factor greatly in how well you learn other things. Most study techniques can be used across any fields.

Also, I'm fairly certain you've made this debate somewhat impossible to accept.

Happy to debate you on exactly how the HS and MS systems should be changed (as well as ES) but we would both, And I'm certain everyone who isn't an idiot would agree they need reform.
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