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Hilary Clinton vs Donald Trump

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Started: 8/19/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Round 1-Acceptance, Round 2-Cases, Round 3-Rebuttals, Round 4-Defense

I will be arguing in defense of Hilary Clinton's record while rebutting against Trump's supposed record.
Debate Round No. 1


Before I start my case, I would like to state that I believe both candidates have an abundancy of incompetent qualities. My case is that Donald Trump's incompetence exceeds Hilary's incompetence.

C1: Donald Trump's policy stances
I. Donald Trump's claim
II. Harms
Donald Trump has proclaimed his ambition to ban all 11 million undocumented immigrants. Donald Trump claims that a significant portion of the undocumented immigrant population are rapists, drug dealers, and others that are detrimental to American progression. I would make the claim that this stance is absurd, and will give us access to more harms than benefits.

Undocumented immigrants contribute 11.6 billion dollars into the US economy. One can already prove their legitimacy through their subservience to our unfair tax system. Undocumented immigrants actually pay more than the top 1%. In a progressive tax system that America has implemented, the top 1% are supposed to pay the most. Banning them will allow the benefits of taxation to be inaccessible. This is a significant harm that Trump wants to pursue. The country will also have to allocate money to support rounding up 11 million people, and dispersing them into Mexico. I cannot see how this gives us access to any advantages.

Amnesty would be the best solution to this problem, because of the empirical evidence shown above. Undocumented immigrants have shown their subservience, and inability to rape and drug deal. The great majority of them are capable workers who are here for their families survival, and the pursuit of the American dream. America will still benefit off of consistent taxation on them, their children, and their grandchildren. Everyone receives advantages in this scenario. Hilary Clinton is a better option, because she supports amnesty.

Donald Trump has also made the claim that his administration would enact a ban on all Muslims globally to prevent terrorists from coming into our country. One would have to be a fool if he or she cannot realize the social consequences of such an implementation. This is no doubt an alienating remark that still gives us access to no advantages.

Our government has already implemented a vetting system that insures we take in the best and brightest from the Middle East. The vetting system is intolerable towards those who are vulnerable to jihadism, or jihadists themselves. An example of our vetting system can be found in the implementation of our ability to bring in Refugees. Obama has claimed that he is willing to let in 10,000 Syrian refugees. Yet, we have only admitted 64. Our timeframe for refugees is 18 to 24 months. 2% of those refugees are of combat age.

C2: Contradictions
Now, each candidate has their fair share of contradictions. Secretary Clinton has also made contradictions, but at least the American people have a record to examine. Donald Trump has no political record which makes him unreliable. This contention will examine all of the views that are currently null due to his persistent contradictions.

Donald Trump's views on ISIS are the most inconsistent. He has claimed that we should not move into Syria, and start another war. On other days, Trump has proclaimed that he wanted to bomb ISIS, and take their oil. He has also proclaimed his stance to bring back torture, and kill the families of ISIS. Donald Trump shows his lack of knowledge when it comes to the Obama administration, because of his depreciative attacks on Obama's ability to eliminate ISIS. Obama has already and is currently destroying a significant portion of ISIS controlled oil areas. Voting for Trump will be a continuation of Obama concerning foreign policy, but his administration will also add a low tolerance of the Geneva convention.

Donald Trump has proclaimed his stance on lowering the minimum wage on a news network. He claimed that lowering the minimum wage would allow American workers to compete with other country workers. It would be an interesting idea if one had lost his or her moral compass, and does not think in the long term of the well being of the American people. Trump went back on his statement claiming that he is open to increasing the minimum wage. This is an obvious attempt to court Sanders supporters which proves he also has a lack of caring for the honorability of his campaign. The American people still would not know what Trump would do in office.

Donald Trump has proclaimed his stance on lowering taxes for everybody to assure government limitation. These were the policies that were implemented in the Bush era which lead to great events occurring. Trump now has proclaimed that he will in fact increase the taxes on the rich. My opponent can claim that he is being political, but Secretary Clinton still gives me assurances, because she has a record that I am capable of observing. Trump has never held a political office which doesn't give any assurances on what his presidency would look like.

C3: Trump's record
I. Net Worth
II. Business success
Trump's absence of a political record proves to also be another illegitimacy in his candidacy for president. Trump supporters claim that we should look at his business record.

Trump has had a very interesting past when it comes to his net worth. Trump sued O"Brien for libel a year after his book was published, claiming his net worth was actually $6 billion, not the $150 to $250 million O"Brien reported based on sources who"d seen Trump"s finances. In the process of making his case, Trump cited that year"s Forbes list, which put him at $2.7 billion"lower than he liked to claim, but better than being a mere millionaire.
During a deposition for the case, Trump and an attorney had the following absolutely amazing exchange:
Q: Let me just ask you first about the first sentence there: Trump relentlessly bloviating about his developments " this is going to be the biggest, best, most amazing " leads people to assume he exaggerates his net worth. Do you see that?

A: Yes.

Q: Do you know what bloviating means?

A: Well, I"m not sure that there"s an exact definition, but I would imagine that"s what it means.

Q: Exaggeration?

A: Could be, yeah.

Q: Lying?

A: No.

Trump has been bloviating about his wealth for decades. Trump proclaimed that his net worth is 10 billion dollars currently. Yet, it is universally agreed with anyone who is not a Trump supporter that his net worth was 4 billion dollars.

Donald Trump has also made great claims about his successes in New York City real-estate. Findings prove that Trump does not even make it into the top ten lists of New York City's major real-estate owners.

Trump has also had an abundancy of failures in the casino business. His record proves to have 4 bankruptcies due to his impulsivity and recklessness with how he managed his casinos.

According to the New York Times, Wall Street banks remain hesitant to deal with Trump, due to the previous bankruptcies and his litigious nature. Federal Election Commission disclosures have shown that 15 companies associated with Trump owe more than $270 million to banks. Trump responds to these critiques by saying that he doesn't use Wall Street because he doesn't need the money " he's rich enough to do his own financing.

Trump still faces lawsuits from the venture, including a $40 million suit from the New York attorney general for defrauding students and operating an unlicensed university.

In conclusion, Trump is mentally incompetent for office. He has not displayed any experience in political office, and his business career is a compilation of bankruptcies, reckless bets, and inheritance from his father. The only quality that Trump has been able to prove himself proficient in is acquiring attention.

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Posted by ILikePie5 2 years ago
Hillary Clinton put national security at risk whether you like it or not. Hillary Clinton wants to bring in 550% more refugees even though ISIS and senior officials have said that operatives will infiltrate. Hillary Clinton accepts money from nations that are anti-LGBT and anti-Women. Hillary Clinton is owned by lobbyists and donors. The State Department under Hillary Clinton rejected 600 individual requests for security in Benghazi. Hillary Clinton lied to the families of the fallen soldiers in Benghazi and called them liars. Hillary Clinton is laying a siege upon the 2nd Amendment. Hillary Clinton wants to raise taxes on the middle class. Hillary Clinton gave Russia Uranium. Bill Clinton along with Hillary signed NAFTA and WTO which led to the massacre of jobs. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War and later withdrew the troops which led to the formation of ISIS. Hillary Clinton called for the overthrow of Ghaddafi which led to the destablization of Libya. Hillary Clinton brought Iran to the negotiating table which led to the Iran Deal which is a disaster.

But to her supporters......What difference does it make?
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