Hillary Clinton is not a bad canidate

I have left the table wide open.... my opponent simply has to argue that Hillary Clinton is a horrible choice for the U.S. president

I would like to thank Sola Gratia for accepting the debate.
Now to start it off,

I feel That Hillary Clinton Would make a good President for two main reasons, her experience, and her views.
First off, Her Experience, besides her years of being the first lady Hillary has also served as the U.S. Senator to New York. I feel that experience is possibly the most important thing to look for in a candidate. Also experience is good in any line of work including politics, even though in most cases it makes a politician seem worse since eventually they have to cast a bad vote (I'm not referring to anything in particular) Experience is what helps them make less bad choices, not to say that it would make them perfect, but it helps.

I could go on for about three pages about her views, but I'll just highlight two of them to get thing started.
1.Healthcare, Although this may be the most over explained point on the democratic side, it may be the single most important item in this election, to most people Americas healthcare system has failed, it is almost impossible for low income families and people with pre-existing conditions to get healthcare, let alone affordable, And Obama's plan does nothing to help those who find it that hardest to get. Not to mention that the republicans, who don't offer any solution to this problem, and want to keep the tax cuts, but that's a different issue.

2.With rising oceans, and an ever shrinking amount of oil, the situation is starting to look very desperate, we need to do three things, lower the amount of electricity/ fossil fuels we use, increase funding in alternative cleaner fuel sources, and update our current electricity generation sources with renewable alternative ones, Hillary offers all of those things, for the most part, and more aggressively than Obama. The republicans are yet again siding with big business and offering solutions that don't really solve anything, free market energy, what is that exactly? Another way for big business to get their way over little ones? They don't even fund the research, who do they think will?

I believe that Hillary Clinton is a "bad" candidate. But frankly, the term "bad" is completely subjective and so logically this debate is impossible to win or lose, since "bad" is different for everyone.

But anyway: my personal definition of "bad" matches Hillary Clinton perfectly: she is deceptive and manipulative. She is a swindler. A con-woman. From cattle futures to HillaryCare to Bill, everything she's touched in this country has been ruined.

So, here are specific reasons why Hillary would be a "bad" president."

I. Her baggage. Hillary made much of the fact that her detractors have nothing "new" to throw at her, at least nothing as shady as Whitewatergate, Travelgate, etc. Well, she's wrong. What about that prominent Asian donor to the Clinton campaign who was arrested and convicted of election fraud last year? And anyway, she hasn't changed. If we elected her, we'd be electing Bill Clinton all over again, and that would be terrible.

II. I can understand and sympathize with the anti-war view, but Hillary has cynically manipulated it for her own good. First she was pro-war, then she was maybe, now the president swindled her. Whatever.

III. If she is not a "bad" candidate, she is a "good" candidate. A good candidate must have a good chance of winning. Well, according to the polls, both Barack Obama and John McCain have a larger chance of getting elected President. That should definitely be taken into account.

Thanks, and sorry again for missing the first argument.

Sola Gratia

My opponent has failed to make the third argument, but that's okay because I failed to make the first. I can't really blame Idontcare for missing the argument; believe me, I know how schedules can get.

Well, Obama's clear superiority to Clinton is now highlighted more than ever by his wins in Wisconsin, my home state, and Hawaii. All the Democrats I know voted for Obama. In fact, it's unclear WHERE Mrs. Clinton's support was coming from.

Now let's turn to hard evidence: According to AP, many of the superdelegates who formerly supported Clinton even after she fell behind have been migrating towards Obama. (http://www.breitbart.com...)

According to RCP polls, Clinton has a fairly substantial lead in Ohio, but Obama is gaining momentum. In Texas, she's ahead by as little as one percentage point, but if Obama can draw even with her by the primary date, all bets are off. While I admit that she could still win both of these states, I still doubt it.

Here is the RCP polling data for a head-to-head matchup between Mrs. Clinton and John McCain. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com...)

According to this, McCain leads her in most polls by about 5%. As a Republican, it hurts to admit, but if a Democrat can't beat a Republican THIS election year, they will never be able to again. And especially John McCain. Honestly, he's less appealing than Hillary Clinton, and neither of them has ANYTHING on the charm and charisma of Obama. Let's face it, Obama is a rock star.

In a presidential race, it's up to the voters, and so far, they want Obama. I may have to eat my words later, but I still think Clinton is more of a liability to the Democrats than it appears. Voters want the 90s and its scandals dead and gone already! As a veritable mascot for the graft and corruption that composed the Clinton administration (selling pardons, stealing White House furniture, Whitewatergate, Travelgate, Cattle futures, Monica, etc., etc., etc.) Hillary is a phantom from the past.

Thanks,

Sola Gratia.

Well, I've stated my case strongly, and there's not much more I can say.

First of all, though, I'm sorry that my opponent missed the arguments. I don't blame him, really, because (A) I missed one too, and (B) I know how schedules can get. Still, I would like to have trounced him fairly.

It seems a little petty, but I notice that my opponent isn't arguing that Hillary Clinton is not a bad candidate, but that she is a bad "canidate." I'm not sure exactly what this word means, but I will endeavor to disprove BOTH arguments. ;)

In the last few days, Clinton's last-ditch attempts to stop the Obama storm have gotten nastier and nastier. First off, she lambasted Obama for mailers against her that regarded health care-her forte, and then she "leaked" photos of Obama with a turban on. Although she denies this. We all know what the Clintons are capable of. Who knows what else they have on Obama?

Hillary plays dirty. She is NOT, I repeat NOT a good candidate for president. Obama's stand on the issues is better than hers for Democrats, and she is despicable personally. She polls behind McCain, which seems incredible in this election, and unless she pulls up a little bit, her campaign is doomed. For all these things and more, Hillary Clinton is a "bad" candidate.