How do atheists rationally know truth from fiction?
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| Voting Style: | Open | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
| Started: | 7/9/2016 | Category: | Philosophy | ||
| Updated: | 2 years ago | Status: | Debating Period | ||
| Viewed: | 2,053 times | Debate No: | 93525 | ||
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 Con Answering this question is the sole purpose for this debate. If you are unable or unwilling to answer this question, do not respond to this debate. Likewise, if you do not believe in reality, believe you make it up or deny it is objective or knowable, or if you do not know how to rationally know truth from fiction, do not respond to this debate. If you are terrified of cross-examination or madly in love with red herrings, do not respond to this debate. If you have responded before, do not respond to this debate. After all, if you had nothing rational to say then, you will having nothing rational to say now. If all you have is "science", do not respond to this debate, for science relies on the your senses and reason, which begs the question of how you know your senses and reason are valid. Perhaps you can tell me, which is fine, but if the way you validate you senses and reason is with your senses and reason, you lose the debate because that is circular reasoning and circular reasoning is not rational. if you respond in violation of these rules, you automatically lose the debate.  Pro This is a topic that's been going on for a long time. I will do my best to say how athiests know what is true, and what is false. Definitions: Athiest: One lacking belief in God, ususally because of the lack of evidence. Rationally: Making a conclusion with certainity. Truth: Consisting with reality. Fiction: Not consisting with reality. Now that we got definitions, short character limit of 2,000. Argument: So how does one who lacks faith in God know what's true? Evidence, of course. Evidence is the entire reason why athiests exist in the first place! Without evidence, how would one rationally claim something is true? True: The Sun, My computer, Ocean False: Mermaids, Demons, God We can see the sun and the ocean. I'm typing my agument on my computer. However, there has never been any reliable proof of mermaids, demons, or God. Also, let's turn this around for a moment. I believe athiests are being discriminated against, probably lack of faith. I want to propose a question. How do thiests rationally know truth from fiction? Let's think about this. The difference from an athiest and a thiest is a belief in the Bible. That's the only difference. So how does a belief in a god equate to accurate senses and stuff? Summary: Let's sum it up. 1) Athiests rely on sound evidence to determine whether an owl is more real than mermaids. 2) Athiests lack a belief in god because of lack of evidence. 3) Thiests trust that God is there, without any sound evidence. 4) So now the question becomes: How do thiests rationally know truth from fiction? I await my thiest opponent to answer for me. (Why's it always about athiests, though? We're still human, and think rationally.) |
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Con How do you know your senses provide you true information and that your reason properly processes that information? Please do not prove yourself irrational by saying, no matter how many words you use, that your senses validate your senses and that your reason validates your reason, for that is simply begging the question or circular reasoning. David Hume exposed the irrational nature of this view many, many years ago. it appears these groupie atheists have learned nothing from one of their own who is, by far, their philosophical better. Good luck. This round has not been posted yet. |
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No one cares how YOU personally test atheists to "prove" to yourself that they're dishonest (and by extension that you're superior to them)
To reason is to "think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic."
Logic is "reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity."
And just to drive the point home, validity is "the quality of being logically or factually sound; soundness or cogency."
An atheist who says you don't have rational grounds isn't a hypocrite, by that logic you're a hypocrite for not being able to see an atheist's rational grounds.
Most atheists do push forth conscience rights. We Antitheists however, do not view freedom of religion to be one of them. In a world where no one can openly claim a religion, or even openly speak about it, or make a show of it, in public, is a world in which the everyday citizen can feel safe from persecution due to their beliefs, or lack thereof.
Before you call me a hypocrite make sure to note that I don't seek to abolish your beliefs, just to remove your illusions that it's a right to openly use it as a weapon to force other's to live their lives in a way that fits an outdated book. I'd be a hypocrite if I also believed everyone should live there lives just as Dumbledore tells Harry to.
Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
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THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is a declaration adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1948 at the Palais de Chaillot, Paris. The Declaration arose directly from the experience of the Second World War and represents the first global expression of what many people believe to be the rights to which all human beings are inherently entitled.
you escape a long deadly hostile toxic environment, manage get through the harshest of wilderness, and thirsty you find a mineral filtered clear fresh water lake inside a white mineral mountain cave with abundance of fish, but you go outside to see the road further ahead, and more toxic waste environment showing in the sky, you choose to go further drink from a toxic waste barrel.. -viceregent
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