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Thiest_1998
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RMTheSupreme
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How does evolution explain the different ethnicity's in the world

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Started: 4/8/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Thiest_1998

Pro

I'm a creationist and would like to know from evolutionist on why there are so many different ethnic backgrounds if we all came from Africa or whereever?
RMTheSupreme

Con

This proof involved many, many sources. I read through them for the best worded ones and put them all together in one big explanation.

It was well over the 8k char. limit. If that's really a reason to disqualify me then conside rit my R2 as well and we're fine.

It can be found here:

https://justpaste.it...
Debate Round No. 1
Thiest_1998

Pro

Thank you you for accepting this debate

Next time could you please put bullet points in you'r argument because for some people it could be quite difficult knowing what to answer.

What I got from that article is that the reason for the different ethnic backgrounds is because those groups of people adapted to the climate they were in, well as a brief thought it does sound feasible for example Africa has a hot climate therefore it would make sense that the people living in that region would be dark skinned but what about countries like China, Japan Thailand, Greece, Spain, Israel the list goes on of country's where you have a hot climate but the native aren't dark skinned even Caucasians who've migrate to hot climates haven't changed their skin tone either for example, when some of the English migrated to Australia in 1788 there haven't been any immediate or long term changes in terms of them changing skin tone or even language.

I will be looking forward to your next argumment.
RMTheSupreme

Con

Due to inventions that didn't exist back in the days of the more ancient humans, such as sunscreen, air conditioning, buildings themselves (guaranteed shelter no matter where you are from all kinds of outside natural threats), the entire natural selection of the human species racially has become defunct. It's so extreme that there is actually no justification at all for being racist anymore and all more economically and scientifically advances nations are moving towards acceptance of all races and towards not just tolerance but intolerance towards the mentality that wishes to segregate them as there no longer is any advantage to being any race and this is a scientific fact because you don't have to be a basketballer at all, nor do you need to be a particular career at all. We live in a world that's moving away from survival of the fittest and towards making everyone 'fittest' by their own definition of the term in a context where they can somehow shine and that's a great and beautiful thing.

Due to what I just mentioned, this is why what you see now with races no longer evolving for the past few centuries is genuinely proportional to how much science is helping people to artificially cope with any climated regardless of genetic tendency to suffer in that climate.
Debate Round No. 2
Thiest_1998

Pro

Thank you for posting your argument

(You said)
Due to inventions that didn't exist back in the days of the more ancient humans, such as sunscreen, air conditioning, buildings themselves (guaranteed shelter no matter where you are from all kinds of outside natural threats), the entire natural selection of the human species racially has become defunct. It's so extreme that there is actually no justification at all for being racist anymore and all more economically and scientifically advances nations are moving towards acceptance of all races and towards not just tolerance but intolerance towards the mentality that wishes to segregate them as there no longer is any advantage to being any race and this is a scientific fact because you don't have to be a basketballer at all, nor do you need to be a particular career at all. We live in a world that's moving away from survival of the fittest and towards making everyone 'fittest' by their own definition of the term in a context where they can somehow shine and that's a great and beautiful thing.

My response
Yes some of those inventions didn't exist back in the day but you would see them have a slightly darkened skin tone to account for the hundreds of years they didn't have those also inventions also yes they might not have had buildings but they would've definitely had built shelters to protect them from the harsh sun also civilisation in places like China have been around for 4,000 years they would have to wait a long time for the invention of sunscreen, air conditioning and especially when building cities they would spend a long time outside but evidently no form of evolution has taken place on them.
RMTheSupreme

Con

The answer to your question is how we got all the races from Black people. You are asking 'why are there not varying degrees of skin-tone' but there absolutely are. Brown-Asians are lighter than black people but darker than Arabs and the sunlight of their region is directly correlated with that. Arabs are lighter than the south Asians but darker than the east Asians and Europeans on either side of them which each have less hot climates and less intense sunlight.

Lighter skin does better than darker skin with less sunlight because lighter skin loses less heat due to the same reason it gains less heat. Lighter colours insulate better (take in and let out less heat) than darker colours which conduct better.
https://www.colormatters.com...

I've also explained why eventually evolution has stopped and why for the past few centuries since we've invented buildings and other inventions to help protect against all kind of natural selection factors we've ended up making race not matter in one's chances to survive and reproduce.
Debate Round No. 3
Thiest_1998

Pro

You said

The answer to your question is how we got all the races from Black people. You are asking 'why are there not varying degrees of skin-tone' but there absolutely are. Brown-Asians are lighter than black people but darker than Arabs and the sunlight of their region is directly correlated with that. Arabs are lighter than the south Asians but darker than the east Asians and Europeans on either side of them which each have less hot climates and less intense sunlight.

My response

I'm not saying their aren't I was asking why haven't the east Asians acquired a darkened skin tone e.g Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese ect the climate is practically the same as the climate in certain parts of Africa such as South Africa.

Also if a Caucasian decide they wanted to live outside without sun-screen how long would it take he/she to acquire a dark skin tone also would they lose the skin to if he/she decided to relocate or live indoors?
RMTheSupreme

Con

Eastern Asia is much more humid than the nations with Brown people (yes I know Sri Lanka has monsoons but they are much lesser than the Oriental and Malay/Thai nations' monsoons). http://www.travelzoo.com...

You will find that everything about the way more Oriental Asians are built is to avoid losing moisture. From the eyes to their ears (they have drier wax than other races, https://www.sciencenews.org...) everything about how East Asian Races are built (and since they are related in ancestry, Native Americans) is about not sweating too much and not losing moisture in any shape or form. The greenery in such nations was also much denser and so since the sunlight was hidden by a lot more shading, they didn't benefit from being dark nearly as much as from being small. You will find that as you go form north-east Asis through to middle ans mid-east Easia, you find a darkening, the Thais and Malaysians are darker than the north chinese and Koreans. This is because of how dense the forests were. Basically, in lack of sunlight but high humidity, you want to be naturally better insulated in all ways. Being lighter, smaller and drier in all ways (including moisture lost through yoru raw eyeballs) you prevent humidity killing you as you maintain more moisture for less water intake. Being small helps with hiding in forest-rich environments but is a disadvantag eni open-plain landscapes where big and strong is the only way to cope (this is why the Native Americans were not particularly short despite sharing all other traits with their related races in East Asia).

I could explain it all to you, it's almost endless. Even big penises on black people can be explained, it's because bigger organs helps more in open-plain survivla as you beat each other to death, there's no hiding. Smaller builds helps in hiding and bigger people die off in Asian climate, that's why they all became short.
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Thiest_1998 3 years ago
Thiest_1998
Apologies for not replying but very true about the penis part
Posted by TheTrueBeliever 3 years ago
TheTrueBeliever
@MissMedic
You made absolutely 0 points to refute a word I said. You can get a PHD in ANY scientific field, except for Biological Evolution, without a belief in Biological Evolution. Case closed.
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
Believer
Your friend got that PHD from using scientific knowledge not superstitious belief. One need not own beliefs of any kind to establish scientific facts, observe and enjoy nature, or live a productive, moral, and useful life. Arguing science with you is pointless, as you clearly demonstrated a lack of understanding on the subject. And don't ask for an explanation, I am not here to educate the uneducated. Knowledge, observation, rational thinking, curiosity, and skepticism trump beliefs every time, because the more you know the less you believe.
https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz...
Posted by asta 3 years ago
asta
This is because ethnicities change skin color over the course of a few generations. The people who went from the Garden of Eden (or close) to Africa tanned a lot and the people who went up to Europe lost a lot of that tan.

British Americans have a darker skin tone than British people because the British Americans developed a tan because they were closer to the equator. It's why people from the Southern US tend to be tanner(or redder) than people from the North. This occurs over hundreds of years.

Similarly, over thousands of years, African migrants got so tan that their skin turned black and vice versa.
Posted by TheTrueBeliever 3 years ago
TheTrueBeliever
And I meant to say "the early 20th century" not "the early 19th century"
Posted by TheTrueBeliever 3 years ago
TheTrueBeliever
@missmedic
I am not stating that I believe in Darwinian evolution or that I don't. But I think some of your comments can easily be addressed.
" What does creation teach us about our world?"
-Exactly the same as evolution does if it is true. An explanation of origins. Both attempt to answer "where did X come from". Or "what is the direct cause of X".
"Science is based on intellectual honesty and science encourages doubt and does not contradict."
-This is demonstrably false. Science CONSTANTLY contradicts. In the early 19th century the major cosmological model believed to be true by almost all physicists was the Eternal Static Universe, which was contradicted by the Big Bang Model, which was contradicted by the Steady State Model, which was contradicted by Eternally Oscillating Model, which all have no now been contradicted by a version of the Big Bang Model (inflation).
The food pyramid is different than it was 10 years ago, and that from 50 years ago. All cholesterol is bad. Some cholesterol is good, some is bad. Cholesterol is unimportant as your body creates it from fat. Science constantly contradicts.
From the evolutionists stand point, there is almost no way to contradict a frickin word they say, because what actually happened can never be observed. If two fossils have similar DNA and have physical similarities, the evolutionist will claim "Clearly one caused the other". The creationist will obviously say "Clearly God created similar animals".
Your claim that "Understanding evolution is a prerequisite to learning most scientific disciplines" seems to be false to me. I can name scientists with PHDs from Harvard who are Creationists. Believing that man shares a common ancestor with a chimp is in NO WAY a prerequisite for understanding any scientific field except for the field of Evolution itself.
Evolution is based on a type of causation fallacy. "X and Y have similarities, therefore X caused Y.
That being said, I agree that evolution has more evidence
Posted by Thiest_1998 3 years ago
Thiest_1998
@canis
How do you know they sound different?

Are you hinting that white people are going to be extinct within 50,000 years if so there should be a steady decline in the population of Caucasians but in contrary to the fact that there's a steady increase in the population of Caucasians in hot climates
Posted by Thiest_1998 3 years ago
Thiest_1998
@Blubberface

@Blubberface

Well I found this article from https://www.skincancer.org...
that says otherwise
Posted by Thiest_1998 3 years ago
Thiest_1998
@missmedic God confounded the language at the tower of Babel

Genesis 11:1-9 King James Version (KJV)
11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
What does creation teach us about our world?
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