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How moral are you in accordance with the christian god?

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Started: 12/25/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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backwardseden

Con

In answer to that very question that would be not at all and it doesn't equate, Because nobody can prove that this god exists.
Be that as it may what this debate will show is that the character in the texts of the bible and its god are completely immoral by anyone's standards.
This will also show that hopefully you do have morality and decency within you and you will not squabble to the storybook character god who with verse after verse is completely immoral and you have completely risen above that.

This is not about what you THINK YOUR religion states is you think you are a christian, Especially christ who has nothing to do with this debate. So please do not bring in that ---whatever--- ringside. This is about how YOU think YOU stand and how moral YOU believe YOU are in accordance with what YOUR god states in HIS bible.

Here is a test for YOUR morality to see where YOU stand with YOUR god with how he believes from what is stated directly from the bible and or torah. It is a simple "yes" or "no" response. Right now there will only be asked a couple of things as this round only specifically deals with the threat of death. In other rounds, Should this debate get that far, A LOT more terrifying subjects will be asked of you and where you stand in accordance with your god. Ready?

* Do you think you should be put to death just because you blaspheme? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 24:16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, He shall surely be put to death, And all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, As he that is born in the land, When he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, Shall be put to death. "
* Do you think you should die if you work on the sabbath? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 31:14 "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, That soul shall be cut off from among his people. ", Numbers 15: 32-36 " And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, And unto all the congregation. 34 And they put him in ward, Because it was not declared what should be done to him. 35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. 36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, And stoned him with stones, And he died; as the Lord commanded Moses. " Notice jesus worked on the sabbath, He was not put to death. Strange? That supposed "law" that christians use is in ill effect and does not work.
* Do you think you should die for merely cursing at your parents? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, Or his mother, Shall surely be put to death. , Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. ", Mark 7:10 "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, Let him die the death:, Matthew 15:4 "For God commanded, Saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, Let him die the death. "
* Do you think you should die if you commit adultery? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, Even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, The adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. "
* Do you think you should die if you are a homosexual? Y___? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, As he lieth with a woman, Both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. "
* Do you think you should die if you worship other gods? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Deuteronomy 13: 9-10 "9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, And afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, That he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, Which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, From the house of bondage. " AND 17: 2-5 "2 If there be found among you, Within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, Man or woman, That hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, In transgressing his covenant, 3 And hath gone and served other gods, And worshipped them, Either the sun, Or moon, Or any of the host of heaven, Which I have not commanded; 4 And it be told thee, And thou hast heard of it, And enquired diligently, And, Behold, It be true, And the thing certain, That such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, Which have committed that wicked thing, Unto thy gates, Even that man or that woman, And shalt stone them with stones, Till they die. "

These plus many more completely absurd examples show how completely inane and insane this biblical god is, As well as completely immoral. Yet no one can even prove he even exists. Wow even worse is how many of the examples that are listed above are taken directly from the 10 commandments THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD FOLLOW? There are four to be exact out of six. What's worse is this so-called god would never use text as a form of communication, The worst form of communication possible.
Simply put, If you answer "yes" to ---any--- of the questions, It means you are totally bankrupt, Corrupt, And immoral, Just like your unproved god clearly is in your shallow mind and you need not respond as everybody who is sensible and intelligent knows where you stand as every single response absolutely requires a "no" response, No exceptions, None.
So if you have responded with a "no" response to all of the questions, Congratulations, This means you are moral and sane and not bullied by a horrific god that you cannot even prove even exists. Since you have reached this far with answering "no" to all of the questions, Then it is also quite simple and it means that you disobey your the direct rules, Laws and actions of your god. So then the next question needs to be asked is where do you think and believe you stand in accordance with YOUR god? Then the next question needs to be asked, Which is the most important one of all "why do you believe? " With the follow up question "why 'should' you believe since your god is in no possible way moral? "

Oh yes, The NT is much worse. We can get into that if you'd like as christ is a false prophet.

Rules:
Prove the storybook god of the bible to be moral.

Be intelligent. DO NOT INVENT EXCUSES because I will know better and you will thus rightly be insulted with my brand of insults.

dsjpk5 as always will NOT be allowed to vote in the voting process.
r31nd33r

Pro

Proving the existence of God would be pointless since there are no evidence that can support that. But I "Believe" on a higher being behind the creation and existence of the universe.

So here are the answer to your questions.

1. Do you think you should be put to death just because you blaspheme? No.
2. Do you think you should die if you work on the Sabbath? No
3. Do you think you should die for merely cursing at your parents? No.
4. Do you think you should die if you commit adultery? No.
5. Do you think you should die if you at a homosexual? No.
6. Do you think you should die if you worship other gods?

The whole point of God is not to prove His existence but to follow the tenets He has bestowed upon us to live a better life. Think of God as Confucius or Buddha sharing their Wisdom upon us. I believe in God because there are things that I cannot comprehend nor science can. It's not an obligation to believe in a higher being or a holy diety, It all boils down on how you want to live your life with or without the guidance of one. Believing in Him wouldn't strip anything from you.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Con

"The whole point of God is not to prove His existence but to follow the tenets He has bestowed upon us to live a better life. " Well you just perfectly 100% contradicted yourself with answering all 6 questions of morality of "no". Oh wait, You avoided answering the sixth question.
Actually no. "The whole point of God is not to prove His existence but to follow the tenets He has bestowed upon us to live a better life. " Wrong. The whole point of god is for him to flaunt his ego as that is what the entire bible is about through something as ridiculous as faith. Its nothing more than a superior ego god complex. I suggest you read it in which case you clearly haven't.
"Think of God as Confucius or Buddha sharing their Wisdom upon us. " Confucius or Buddha don't have extenuating egos that force their subjects into believing "or else its death" which is completely corrupt, Dishonest, Unethical and immoral.
"I believe in God. . . " No, You don't believe in your god if you deliberately go out of your way to break his laws. Regardless your god most certainly does not believe in you since you deliberately and freely admit to breaking his laws. Who do you think you are to be better than your god's laws and go outside of them and do whatever you want? They were created by your god for a reason. Not so you could break them even if they are completely insane.

"I believe in God because there are things that I cannot comprehend nor science can. " That's the absolute worst possible reason you can give. "Assume that we have no answer. Then the answer is "I don"t know". The answer isn"t "I can"t think of anything better, Therefore a god did it. ""Matt Dillahunty

"It's not an obligation to believe in a higher being or a holy diety, " According to god it absolutely 100% it is and its why he gets "jealous" in which no supreme deity ---ever--- would, And has committed genocide after genocide after genocide and murdered 2, 821, 364 in his bible for no reason (the last question is not a reason on top of all of the others) which includes babies, Children, And pregnant mothers (abortions) thus once again showing your god to be a complete monster and immoral.

"Believing in Him wouldn't strip anything from you. " That's correct. That's because I'm an atheist and well educated on this horrific terrorizer god and the piece of crap that he is according to the bible. What about YOU? And A legitimate reason into "why believe? " Saying "I don't know" is a perfectly legitimate reason into NOT believing.
r31nd33r

Pro

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Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Con

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r31nd33r

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Con

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r31nd33r

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
5 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 5 records.
Posted by Adrian14 3 years ago
Adrian14
These are just the same arguments that have been debunked by at least 12 others.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@Drobinson1974 - Do you have your argument(s) for RD1 ready to go? I'm ready to go to sleep soon which is why I'm asking.
Posted by Drobinson1974 3 years ago
Drobinson1974
@backwardseden. Lol. No problem.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@Drobinson1974 - Oh they are not "my" questions I can assure you. The questions posed are questions asked over thousands of years ever since they've been entered into an idiot bible in which no god would use text, Not for any reason, Not ever, The worst form of communication possible, In which nobody has ever been able to prove its bombastic god exists, To make us such horrific laws, Rules, And regulations in which are completely bankrupt and immoral, Thus proving its god to be the exact same.
Now I have very bad hands, So I cannot type much. I will also be using a lot of videos as evidence in later RDS, Or even newer ones, Who knows?
One thing I must also clue you in on is I under no circumstance allow unintelligence and lack of education. I do know my stuff. So you'd better know yours, And do not invent excuses for something that you do not know and thus pretend that you do as sooooooo many here on DDO have. Bad idea. Because then I will insult you with my brand of insults that are original, Dumb, Stupid, Funny, Gone from this universe and unlike any other. Another thing, You'd better have morality within you. Deal?
Posted by Drobinson1974 3 years ago
Drobinson1974
I would love to debate you on this topic, Especially using your opening statement with the questions you posed to r31nd33r.
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Vote Placed by dsjpk5 3 years ago
dsjpk5
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Reasons for voting decision: Con ff half of the rounds. That's poor conduct.

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