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Humans Are Animals

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Started: 7/6/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ArguingPerson123

Pro

I believe it is a fact that humans are animals. Most people would agree on this, but some deny it for whatever reason. First, lots of behaviors and traits we consider unique to humans are not actually as special as we think. Some may claim we are not animals because animals run on instinct. However, although that is true, we too run on instinct, just rely less on it because we are more intelligent than most other species. For example, your fight/flight response is pure instinct. Your certain urges are instinctual. http://www.zo.utexas.edu...
Second, other things humans have, like emotion, intelligence, and social groups, while still unique to our species, appear in a similar manner in other species as well. For example, chimps have figured out how to use stone-age tools such as spears and sticks. While not near as intelligent as humans, chimps are still smart creatures. The thing is, if you think about it, we are not as smart as we think we are. Our social structure is what has allowed technology to advance in an amazing manner in humans. One person may spend half their life discovering something, and then in a short time frame, showing it to another person. That person may go on to advance the discovery or use it to build something. Soon, we have technology advancing each generation because we are able to quickly learn knowledge from the past, and apply it to the future. Other animals, due to a different social structure, and somewhat lower intellect, cannot. That does not mean we are not animals. It just means we are our own defined species, with our unique intelligence level and social structure. Other traits that supposedly make us different from animals include the ability to have complex communication with one another, AKA language, religion, and emotion. However, all of these have also been found to be in other species, although animal languages are much simpler than any human language.
https://www.psychologytoday.com...

https://news.nationalgeographic.com...

http://www.scienceonreligion.org...
Darkshadow1811

Con

Humans are more then simply animal beings. We are sentinent beings who have actually understood the scale of nature and it's capabilities.

We are the first species to exhibit the quality of mercy amongst all the billion species present on the earth. One does not see a lion leaving its prey alone or showing qualities of mercy.

Humans are also the first to resolve to vocal arguments. Animals usually ascertain their superiority by shows of brutality and violence, we humans on the other hand have resorted to an actual vocal system of debate.

Average human iq is between 90 to 110 points whereas your average primate rarely reaches 95 iq.

I would also like to bring up the fact that all the modern marvels in the world are due to the ingenuity and different evolutionary traits nature has granted us rendering the human race superior to animals.

I would like to thank my opponent for presenting me an opportunity to debate on this topic.
Thank You :)
Debate Round No. 1
ArguingPerson123

Pro

Again, humans are more intelligent than other animals. However, that does not put us in a different class of existence than they are in. Also, because we don't act as violent as other carnivorous and omnivorous species because we don't need to. We don't need to go out and hunt, and if we do, we generally do it for sport, though some people do hunt for survival. Even then, we use weapons simply because we are not physically capable of killing our prey with just our bear hands. Shooting the animal would be a lot easier than trying to wrestle it to the ground. We are also not the only animal to develop "mercy."
https://www.livescience.com...
We just gave it a name due to our higher social skills and intelligence than other species. We are more intelligent and social than other species, but not necessarily more sapient. Again, lots of traits we consider unique to humans occur in other species, but are just amplified in us.
Darkshadow1811

Con

I would like to thank my contender for bringing up this point. Talking about weapons, they were developed only through research and development by an organised group of humans, tell me have you ever seen any animal use any weapons except for what nature has already provided them with. Modern neuroscience has uncovered many differences between humans and animals:

1) The Theory of Mind is the unique ability of humans to predict another's feelings and emotions. It has been proved to be a unique skill at the disposal of humans.

2) Episodic memory helps us retain the memory of a event which may have happened very long ago. It is human as it involves a mix of self and subjective time.

3) Mammals, birds and some other animals have a set of six basic emotions listed by Ekman: anger, fear, disgust, joy, sadness and surprise. However humans in addition to these six basic feelings also feel guilt, shame, pride, honor, awe, interest, envy, nostalgia, hope, despair, contempt and many others. These feelings further regulate our social behaviour making it the most complex of all species on the earth.

4)Empathy is defined as the capacity to feel what another person is feeling from their own frame of reference. It is a well-established fact that many animals react to distress by other animals by showing signs of distress themselves. However, this does not seem to represent true empathy as defined above, but a genetically encoded stress response in anticipation of harm. Since empathy requires feeling what the other person is feeling from their own frame of reference, it seems to require theory of mind.

5)Compassion is currently thought to be different from empathy because it involves many other parts of the brain. It seems to be associated with complex cultural and cognitive elements. Therefore, it seems safe to assume that animals are not able to feel compassion.

6)Although animals do communicate with each other using sounds, signs and body language, human language is a qualitative leap from any form of animal communication in its unique ability to convey factual information and not just emotional states.

7)Esthetic sense or the appreciation of beauty also seems to be uniquely human. Of course, animals can produce great beauty in the form of colorful bodies, songs and artful behavior. What seems to be lacking is their ability to appreciate and value that beauty beyond stereotypical mating and territorial behaviors. Even attempts to teach chimps to produce art by drawing have largely failed.

8)Ethics is the ability to appreciate fairness, justice and rights. It is at the very core of our ability to form stable societies and to cooperate to achieve common goals. It depends on theory of mind (which allows us to "put ourselves in somebody else"s shoes"); on social emotions like guilt, shame, pride and contempt; on empathy and compassion, and on cultural heritage. Lacking all those mental abilities, animals have no sense of ethics.

https://speakingofresearch.com...
Debate Round No. 2
ArguingPerson123

Pro

All of your arguments reference things that come with a higher intelligence. I am not denying we are smarter. We have ethics and more emotions simply because we are more social, along with a higher intelligence and learning capability. However, other species have shown all of these traits, just on a lower scale because they are not as social or intelligent. However, some primates and cetaceans do have interesting social structures and a high intelligence, just not to our level. The only reason our species has survived and become dominant across the planet is due to intelligence, because we are physically inferior to other creatures. However, all of the things you listed which make us uniquely human are also found in animals, just at a lower level. Humans also have more instinctual and reflexive behaviors than you would think.
https://onekindplanet.org...
https://www.livescience.com...
https://evolutionnews.org...
https://listverse.com...
Darkshadow1811

Con

I would really like to thank you to bring up this point. What also really makes humans so different is also the fact that we care about the entire world and all the 1-2 million species of animals present in it. Most animals only care about their particular social group or herd let alone their species. We humans on the other hand have started taking an active role in preserving certain species.

The two bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 killed around 200,000 Japanese people. No other species has ever wielded such power, and no species could.

The technology behind the atomic bomb only exists because of a cooperative hive mind: hundreds of scientists and engineers working together. The same unique intelligence and cooperation also underlies more positive advances, such as modern medicine.

Most of our reactions are also based on a logical perspective of the world we have. For example, when there is a fire we turn off all the electronic appliances or when there is a thunderstorm we tend to avoid trees whereas an animal is not capable of doing the aforementioned.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ArguingPerson123 3 years ago
ArguingPerson123
What he says in his final argument is true. However, regardless of humanity's advanced intelligence, emotional intelligence, sapience, and amazing social structure, we still run on instinct at times, and it is correct to classify us as animals, as even if these traits we call unique to us are the most advanced in us, they still occur in other species that also share a relatively higher intelligence. Thanks for a good debate.
Posted by Im_Intelligent 3 years ago
Im_Intelligent
This is a bit more recent, but i think it holds insight.
Posted by Im_Intelligent 3 years ago
Im_Intelligent
Over all con has not given even one good argument that suggests we should not be classified as animals.
Posted by Im_Intelligent 3 years ago
Im_Intelligent
"The Theory of Mind is the unique ability of humans to predict anther's feelings and emotions. It has been proved to be a unique skill at the disposal of humans."

I find cons ignorance disturbing.
Posted by Im_Intelligent 3 years ago
Im_Intelligent
We live in a society where if the power were to go out indefinitely world wide, we would be back to the middle ages in probably 40 days, there would be looters, gangs and a bunch of nasty stuff not seen outside of third world country's in hundreds of years
Posted by Im_Intelligent 3 years ago
Im_Intelligent
We often criticize our ancestors for being more sadistic and brutal, but have you ever considered that we are only this emotionally appealing because we are fed and wealthy? what do you think would happen if that all disappeared?
Posted by Im_Intelligent 3 years ago
Im_Intelligent
One does not see a lion leaving its prey alone or showing qualities of mercy."

You do realize that they are in a fight for survival right? if you put humans back out on the African plains with no modern tech but rather what they could make and salvage from the environment, after about a year do you think they are going to care about the feelings of something there hunting? no, because then they don't eat and starvation follows.

Also if your suggesting that animals besides humans are not capable of emotion and empathy, you should probably do some more research, also anyone who has ever had a dog will protest your stupidity con.

Secondly IQ tests are designed for humans, its like saying a dog has poor language skills because it cant speak English, and while it may be true that we are the most cognitive species on this planet, so what? we have something that unique to us, other animals have things that are unique to there species, so us being the most intelligent really doesn't mean crap.

Regarding the whole lion thing you said, if you take a house dog that is use to being taken care of and fed, of course its most likely going to be loving and friendly, but shove it into the middle of the woods for a few months and that will change VERY quickly, the problem is con is being very ignorant towards what other animals can and cannot do, and his lack of research shows greatly.
Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
"I believe it is a fact that humans are animals."
Doesn't matter if you believe it or not; a fact is a fact.
But in a debate, here's a warning: no one cares about what you think. They just want to hear your argument so they can refute it, unless they WANT to hear about why you think what you do.
Posted by ArguingPerson123 3 years ago
ArguingPerson123
I don't know how, but some will try...
Posted by VictoriousDebator 3 years ago
VictoriousDebator
How can someone possibly debate against this? I mean, I could debate about humans being more superior, but... this is just a fact.
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