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Hooman
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Humans are just animals locked in a cage by laws

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Started: 2/4/2019 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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AdamCe

Pro

I believe that humans are just animals locked in a cage by our social norms and laws. My point of view is that through out the history humans did things that now we think are horrible like: slavery, Killing people, Raping kids, But because we have laws that forbid these kind of acts we say that these things are bad, Immoral.
Hooman

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I accept and hope for an intellectually stimulating and respectful debate.
First, This is an interesting view for Pro. I will attempt to negate this view with arguments based on the idea that laws as a whole are inherently good and actually keep society safe. The lack of the rule of law is what turns humans into animals.
Since the beginning of history, Society has needed a set of rules to determine acceptable behavior. This has a lot to do with Hobbes' theory of how horrible it would be to live in the state of nature, Or in other words, A world without laws.
He argued that lawlessness would create a "dissolute condition of masterlesse men, Without subjection to Lawes, And a coercive Power to tye their hands from rapine, And revenge" would make impossible all of the basic security upon which comfortable, Sociable, Civilized life depends. There would be "no place for industry, Because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, Nor use of the commodities. . . [and] worst of all, Continuall feare, And danger of violent death; And the life of man, Solitary, Poore, Nasty, Brutish, And short. " If this is the state of nature, People have strong reasons to avoid it. . . "
Source: (https://plato. Stanford. Edu/entries/hobbes-moral/#LawNat)
This isn't to say that there have been some terrible laws put in place. Slavery, State-sanctioned murder, Etc are really bad things. However, Even these bad laws were against a minority of citizens. Making a utilitarianistic argument, There's simply less negative consequences sticking with a few bad laws that get reformed as time goes on.
Second, Claiming that humans are somehow enslaved to the state is also a misconception. I argue that all people have free will and cannot be forced to comply with any set of laws they don't want to follow. There's just no way to straight up mind control someone. Opposing existing regimes sometimes means opposition to great pressures, Both social and military, But the revolutions from all over the world revolved around a kind of "sticking it to the man" attitude, Taking responsibility, And making better laws and government that don't make people feel like "caged animals".
Third, Laws have evolved to become closer and closer to a more objective sense of morality. If we look where we are now, Human rights have never been more protected in the world than today. The point is that we tend to recognize and root out the things that are bad and immoral. Even hundreds of years ago there were people "ahead of their time" that questioned and opposed bad laws despite being raised in a society that supposedly would keep them thinking things like slavery were alright.
What this comes down to is that overall, Even some bad laws are better than no law at all. Anarchy is the greatest evil.
I await Pro's response.
Debate Round No. 1
AdamCe

Pro

AdamCe forfeited this round.
Hooman

Con

I advocate for my previous arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
AdamCe

Pro

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Hooman

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Dr.Franklin 4 months ago
Dr.Franklin
You are trying to make a decent point, But your argument is fundamentally flawed Pro.

The social or law norms that we have in place today are good. Did we do bad things. . . Sure, But that wasn't your main argument nor the title of the debate.

Take a debating class or take advice from the nerds here.
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