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I think that homosexuality is unnatural, Can you change my mind?

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Started: 9/18/2018 Category: Society
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TheDebater17

Pro

What is the purpose of sex? To procreate? What do we need to produce children? A man and a woman. What is homosexuality? It's being sexually attracted to someone who shares the same sex. Can homosexual people produce children? No? Then why is homosexuality considered natural and normal, Even though it contradicts the true meaning sex? Is it because they are born this way? Is polydactyly natural just because people who have it are born this way? Then why is it considered a congenital physical anomaly, And not normal? Should we consider gay people to be natural, Just because it's who they are? Should we legalise theft then? Just because thieves are just who they are?
AIRhino

Con

Before I start this debate, I'd like to state that I am a straight, White, Christian male, And that I won't get offended by anything you say, So hit hard in this debate. I thank con for putting out this debate as I've been looking for a mind change as well.

"What is the purpose of sex? To procreate? What do we need to produce children? A man and a woman. What is homosexuality? It's being sexually attracted to someone who shares the same sex. Can homosexual people produce children? No? Then why is homosexuality considered natural and normal, Even though it contradicts the true meaning sex? Is it because they are born this way? Is polydactyly natural just because people who have it are born this way? Then why is it considered a congenital physical anomaly, And not normal? Should we consider gay people to be natural, Just because it's who they are? Should we legalise theft then? Just because thieves are just who they are? "

Gay sex is a viable thing for the same reason that masturbation is a viable thing. What is the purpose of your testes creating sperm? To impregnate a woman. So why masturbate? Why is masturbation considered natural and normal, Even though it contradicts the purpose for your testes creating sperm?

I don't believe that homosexuality is genetic, I believe that the conditions and environment have to be right for someone to be brought up a homosexual. It's a sexual preference. They don't think they are something they're not.

Thieves are directly hurting other people and their belongings, While homosexuals are not.
Debate Round No. 1
TheDebater17

Pro

- I do not consider masturbation to be normal.
- Homosexuality is a viable thing indeed, But that's not a valid point to consider 'gayness' moral or acceptable.
- Homosexual sex and theft are evil acts in different ways but still, At their core they are both immoral practices. If homosexuality is ok because it's a viable thing, Then so is theft.
AIRhino

Con

Why don't you consider masturbation to be normal? How is homosexual sex an evil act? Its two people fulfilling their own personal sexual preferences. Nothing more nothing less. Homosexuality is okay because it isnt hurting anyone, Theft might.
Debate Round No. 2
TheDebater17

Pro

'Why don't you consider masturbation to be normal? How is homosexual sex an evil act? Its two people fulfilling their own personal sexual preferences. Nothing more nothing less. Homosexuality is okay because it isnt hurting anyone, Theft might. '

- Masturbating is extremely bad for health. It's due to the course of this porn watching generation that has messed up the natural course of mind. Today's men find porn better than real sex obviously cause brain stimulates dopamine continuously when watching porn and even after that. The same mechanism happens when you take hard drug such as morphine or cocaine. It messes up with dopamine receptors. There are also several facts such as flapping which makes your glans penis weak since it won't find the pleasure of getting hard at the time of actual sex. Further fapping degenerates calcium from bones into blood as calcium ions are required for achieving the climax and release of sperms specifically. So all these reasons prove that masturbation is unacceptable. Anal sex is dangerous because the rectum is lined with delicate tissues that are very absorptive. It's a high risk activity for transmission of STDs. Chlamydia, Human papillomavirus (HPV), Gonorrhea, Herpes, Hepatitis (multiple strains), And other sexually transmitted infections (STIs/STDs), Can be transmitted through culliningus (cunnilingus is an oral sex act performed by a person on a female's genitalia). Most sexual activities are very dangerous and can result to death. Vaginal penetration however, Is one of the safest sexual practices. So all these reasons prove that masturbation and homosexual acts are unacceptable.

Just because it's their sexual preference does NOT justify it, Period. You have to prove me wrong with logic and science, So please, Don't try to change my mind by saying that it's just their preference.
AIRhino

Con

"Masturbating is extremely bad for health. It's due to the course of this porn watching generation that has messed up the natural course of mind. "

How does the porn watching generation mess up the entire natural course of mind for us all? Actually, Masturbation is good for your health in moderation. It's not good for your testes to hold in old sperm for excess amount of time and if you don't have an active sex life, Masturbation 2 to 3 times a week can be very healthy. Https://medimetry. Com/questions/masturbation-effects-bones/

"Today's men find porn better than real sex obviously cause brain stimulates dopamine continuously when watching porn and even after that. "

Name to me one man that you know that would prefer masturbation over sex, Regardless of sexual orientation. Please do.

"There are also several facts such as flapping which makes your glans penis weak since it won't find the pleasure of getting hard at the time of actual sex. "
Correct me if I'm wrong, But I believe you're referring to masturbation causing erectile dysfunction which is not true.
https://www. Webmd. Com/erectile-dysfunction/masturbation-erectile-dysfunction
The most notable quote from that article being:
"Does Masturbation Ever Cause ED?
You might have heard this, But it"s a myth. Masturbation is normal and won't cause problems when you have sex with a partner. "

"Further fapping degenerates calcium from bones into blood as calcium ions are required for achieving the climax and release of sperms specifically. "

It is true that excessive masturbation/climax degenerates zinc, But this is only if excessively done. As said earlier, Done in moderation, Masturbation can be a very healthy practice.

Anal sex is dangerous for the reason of STD spreading, But that doesn't mean that it isn't natural. Is oral sex unnatural simply because it can't produce children?

"Anal sex is dangerous because the rectum is lined with delicate tissues that are very absorptive. It's a high risk activity for transmission of STDs. Chlamydia, Human papillomavirus (HPV), Gonorrhea, Herpes, Hepatitis (multiple strains), And other sexually transmitted infections (STIs/STDs), Can be transmitted through culliningus (cunnilingus is an oral sex act performed by a person on a female's genitalia). "

If your basis for whether a sexual act is acceptable or not is whether it can procreate, An acceptable sex act MUST be vaginal. This doesn't make sense to me. I think all of those examples are fine ways of doing sexual things and I don't think that there are problems with those practices just because there is more risk. There is more risk of STDs doing those other practices, But you can get pregnant through vaginal sex, Which is a risk for people who aren't planning it.

I think it being their preference does justify it. The brain reacts to things that give it pleasure. If the brain gets pleasure from sex acts with a man, What's different about that? Just because an act can't procreate doesn't mean that it should be unacceptable.
Debate Round No. 3
TheDebater17

Pro

'I think it being their preference does justify it. '

You need to understand that sex is a selfish act by nature, There is no such thing as selflessness. No one is selfless, We are all selfish by nature. Everyone is a bad person since we cannot be truly selfless even if someone wanted to selfless that wouldn't work because that would be a desire. Desise=selfishness. We are driven by desires nothing less, Nothing more. People like other people only for what they have have. There is only one thing that unites people and that is, Interest.

You claim that homosexuality is moral even though it's a desire, A selfish act. So that means that heterosexuality is a selfish act as well. However if you were to judge which sexuality is superior which one would you pick? Let's hypothetically say that only 10 people existed, Half of them are straight and the other half are gay. Tell me which one would you value more?
AIRhino

Con

"You need to understand that sex is a selfish act by nature, There is no such thing as selflessness. No one is selfless even if someone wanted to selfless that wouldn't work because that would be a desire. Desire=selfishness. We are driven by desires nothing less, Nothing more. People like other people for what they have have. There is only one thing that unites people and that is, Interest. "

Okay, So things being selfish applies to a lot more than just sex. That would mean that even things that keep you alive would be considered selfish. Eating is selfish, Because you could be giving someone else that food and let yourself die. Selfishness has nothing to do with this argument because everything could be classified as selfish according to your logic. The desire to not die is selfish.

"You claim that homosexuality is moral even though it's a desire, A selfish act. So that means that heterosexuality is a selfish act as well. However if you were to judge which sexuality is superior which one would you pick? Let's hypothetically say that only 10 people existed, Half of them are straight and the other half are gay. Tell me which one would you value more? "

Obviously the ones that could procreate, But I could turn that argument on its head. In a society where overpopulation is imminent and we're growing at extreme rates as a population of humans, You could argue that gays are a good thing and that more of them would be better for us as a species. That's not a very good argument.
Debate Round No. 4
TheDebater17

Pro

The current population of the planet is barely growing at all. If you look at fertility rates, Current world fertility rate is 2. 5, Which is barely growing". But that number also averages in 3rd world countries with high numbers where the mortality rate is also astronomically high.

So in reality, The world is pretty close to birth replacement for future deaths. In most industrial and post-industrial countries (which is most of them), The fertility rate is less than 2. 1, Which is the replacement rate".

It looks like there is a problem, Because it takes 78 years for people to die. So the deaths now are balanced against the births from 78 years ago. In 20 or 30 years, This will even out, And the population will begin dropping (some people predict that it will take around 50 years).

Instead, The world is looking at a different problem - Negative population growth - this leads to a lopsided population, With more seniors than young people. And as the population ages, There isnlt enough young people to take up the take up the jobs to keep society going.

Please ignore the not enough food" arguments. The world currently produces way more than enough food for everyone. While it's true that some people are going hungry, This is a problem of distribution, Not production. Indeed, Less people are going hungry now than ever before.

We don't need gay people to fiix the population crisis because it's not a real issue (even if it was then we wouldn't need them, We could have the one-child policy just like China). I would go as far as to say that gay people are the problem, Because they have the right to adopt children.

What do we consider homosexuality natural even though at the end of the day, It's really about impregnating the woman? Why do gay people have romantic relationships even though there is no point to it (since they cannot procreate)? Is it because they like each other? But still what's the point of gay people mating, If they cannot procreate? They could simply be just just friends.

Gay people shouldn't be encouraged to commit homosexual practices because it is fundamentally pointless. End of the story
AIRhino

Con

The population crisis is very real. Very real. According to the United Nations, The population is predicted to reach 9. 7 billion by the year 2050. Http://www. Un. Org/en/development/desa/news/population/2015-report. Html

And the argument that the population crisis is a big deal is not necessarily that there isn't enough food, But more that we don't have enough space. If you look at places like India, Which has 1. 324 billion people living there and a square mileage of 1. 269 million square miles, We have a population density of 1043 people per square mile. As a comparison, The population density of the United States is only 85 people per square mile (The equation is 325. 7 million people/3. 797 million square miles). India has over 10x our population density. With population densities like that all over the world, Diseases and illnesses are going to spread MUCH easier than they do now. Also, You say that we should have the one child policy over here to avoid overpopulation, But that's playing into the problem that you stated of negative population growth. Yes gay people have the right to adopt which stops abortions which I am wholeheartedly against. You can go to my debates on my profile and look at that debate which I am currently winning. They enjoy their same gender sexually and there's nothing wrong with that as they are not causing direct harm to anyone. I appreciate the debate, And Vote Con! :D
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by zhaod1 3 years ago
zhaod1
lilhoneycake
What is another, Natural purpose of having sex other than reproduction?
Posted by lilhoneycake 3 years ago
lilhoneycake
If you think the purpose of having sex is reproduction, You really need to get laid.
Posted by TheDebater17 3 years ago
TheDebater17
What do you mean by saying wow?
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
Wow
Posted by TheDebater17 3 years ago
TheDebater17
-It simply doesn't matter if sexuality goes beyond procreation. It's a fact, Sex is really about making the baby. There is no actual pleasure in having sex, It's a waste of precious time. I do not understand why people are so emotionally driven to such a desire without questioning it's selfish and atavistic nature. I am not anti-homosexual, I am against the idea of sexuality in general.

'Gay sex is an entirely moral activity that should not be the basis for discrimination not because there is no choice in sexual orientation. '

-The sexual orientation of a person is absolutely a choice, You are not forced to be gay, Straight or bi by your genes. The idea that sexuality is caused by your DNA, Is junk science. Read this article if you don't believe me. Http://www. Spiked-online. Com/newsite/article/5375#. W6Jel9BjTQ8

You also need to understand that sex is a selfish act by nature, There is no such thing as selflessness. No one is selfless, We are all selfish by nature. An act selflessness is literally impossible because that's a desire. Desise=selfishness. We are driven by desires nothing less, Nothing more. People like other people only for what they have have. There is only one thing that unites people; interest.

You claim that gay sex is immoral even though everything that we do is a desire, A selfish act. Your argument is invalid and hypocritical.

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Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
Pro
Sexually transmitted diseases are acquired through your behavior not your sexual orientation. Anal intercourse is as safe as vaginal intercourse when done properly. You do not seem to be very well informed on the subject matter. A little research would go a long way in reducing your ignorance.
Posted by AIRhino 3 years ago
AIRhino
We have some common ground on this topic, Missmedic ;D
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
If you were to embrace your spirituality, You would know that human sexuality goes far beyond procreation. Gay sex is an entirely moral activity that should not be the basis for discrimination not because there is no choice in sexual orientation, But because it is a personal behavior that causes no harm to others. The question of what causes some people to prefer their own gender might be an interesting one, But it is not a moral one. If we take a look at homophobia, That is unnatural. You are defending the indefensible.
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