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Our_Boat_is_Right
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Wizofoz
Con (against)

I'm Pro Gun: Change my Mind

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Started: 8/5/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Our_Boat_is_Right

Pro

Guns are for self defense and protection against a tyrannical government. Change my mind.
Wizofoz

Con

In any such conflict, It has almost always been the case that at least as large a percentage of the population has been in favor of the tyrants as against.

You are ensuring that THEY will also be armed, And in a better position to put down your posited fight against the tyrants.

Guns have not proven to be an effective method of protection- they are by nature offensive.

The idea that, Faced with an armed intruder who is ready to shoot, You will get you gun, Ensure it is loaded and then overpower the intruder, When all he will have to do is aim and shoot shows it's limitations.

It is just a statistical fact that guns are much more likely to be used to kill yourself or a member of you family than an intruder- ACCIDENTAL deaths by gunshot are more prevalent than defensive, In-home shootings.

Passive protection like bars on windows and re-enforced doors are much more effective deterrents.

The fact that you have encouraged a gun society now means the chance of an intruder being armed are much higher, And the chance of being shot by police are MANY times higher than in countries with strict gun control.
Debate Round No. 1
Our_Boat_is_Right

Pro

"In any such conflict, It has almost always been the case that at least as large a percentage of the population has been in favor of the tyrants as against. "
So, In North Korea the half the population are in favor of Kim Jong Un? And in Germany, People were in favor of the holocaust?

"You are ensuring that THEY will also be armed, And in a better position to put down your posited fight against the tyrants. "
You have a much better chance with guns, Mainly AR-15's and AK47's. America fought against a tyrannical government in 1776, Israel 1948, Russia 1989, France 1793, And many more.

"Guns have not proven to be an effective method of protection- they are by nature offensive. "
False. There are over 2. 5 million defensive gun uses pear year, According to the cdc. There are 12, 000 gun homicides per year. As stated by a Kleck-Gertz study, 15. 7% of people who were involved in a DGU (Defensive Gun Use) said they almost certainly saved theirs or someone else"s life. In addition to that, Another 14. 6% said they probably saved a life. This means 800, 000 lives are saved by guns. Murder rates show that about 73% of murders are with guns, And 27& other weapons. If we take those rates and plug them in for the weapon used by the offender in DGU's, Over 200, 000 lives are saved even if the bad guy didn't have a gun! This majorly outnumbers gun murders.

"The idea that, Faced with an armed intruder who is ready to shoot, You will get you gun, Ensure it is loaded and then overpower the intruder, When all he will have to do is aim and shoot shows it's limitations. "
This is what concealed-carry is for in public, And people are trained very well to react to situations. They also commit crimes 14% less than police! That is how law-abiding and safe they are. You would hear somebody try to break in. They wouldn't know where you are, Either. You have plenty of time to get a gun if you hear somebody break in, Especially if it is near you or you have it on your body.

"It is just a statistical fact that guns are much more likely to be used to kill yourself or a member of you family than an intruder- ACCIDENTAL deaths by gunshot are more prevalent than defensive, In-home shootings. "
Suicide is not an excuse to take away my basic right to own a firearm. There is a plethora of things you can do to commit suicide, Besides. There are 505 instances of accidental deaths. People need to earn how to be responsible gun owners, Teach kids about gun safety, And make sure they don't have access to a gun. Why are you making this comparison? Only 30, 000 of intruders into homes have a gun, And it is most likely that households did not have a gun. How about comparing all self-defense uses, Not just homes?

"The fact that you have encouraged a gun society now means the chance of an intruder being armed are much higher, And the chance of being shot by police are MANY times higher than in countries with strict gun control. "
Probably because criminals are using guns improperly. If guns are banned, People will get illegal guns, Or use other weapons such as knives, But people will be defenseless. What if there is a school shooter? Who do you rely on to protect you? Gun bans have proven not to be effective decreasing murder rates in England, Australia, And even cities in America(https://crimeresearch. Org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/)
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Posted by Our_Boat_is_Right 3 years ago
Our_Boat_is_Right
haha you literally just proved my point. Thankyou! Even though you haven't debated, You already claim its biased. Ironic because liberal colleges have safe spaces where they don't want to listen to the other side, Which is what you are doing right now. Snowflakes are people who are soft, Such like you, Because you don't want to hear another opinion. If anything, I am the opposite of safe spaces and snowflakes beacuse I am open-minded and care about facts, Not feelings. You are very hypicritical of yourself, Mr. Dawkins. You need to expand your brain and listen to other opinions and facts that you have not heard of, Instead of being a "snowflake" and disregarding everything someone says, Even if it is factual and logical. So many liberals are like you, And I pray that they would get out of their own hipocracy and radically reformed party, Like some people that are already walking away.
Posted by LoveRichardDawkins 3 years ago
LoveRichardDawkins
You need to calm down. I"m not accepting this debate. I"ve already debated this and realised how pointless it is because this site is so right wing and biased. Crawl back into your safe space you triggered right wing snowflake.
Posted by Our_Boat_is_Right 3 years ago
Our_Boat_is_Right
Lol the typical left wing response. They don't want to hear the other point of view and instead think that they are always right, Even when facts are thrown in their face. There are over 2 million DGU's per year. Is a CDC study bias? 800, 000 lives are actually "saved". Is a Gleck-Kurtz telephone survey biased? 200, 000 of those the offender does not use a gun. Are the proportions of weapons of murders used by FBI uniform crime stats biased? I don't think so. I could say that you are so biased and left wing, Which is true, But I still think your opinion should be heard and want to rationalize why you believe what you believe. Just because you think of a different approach to a problem in today's society does not stop me from trying to hear your opinion and think of something to do that we both agree on. Being open-minded to people who disagree with you is key, Because you could find common ground, Or rationalize your belief and find some faults in it.
Posted by LoveRichardDawkins 3 years ago
LoveRichardDawkins
I"m not going to engage in a debate on a site which is so biased and right wing. It would be completely unfair.
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