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Is God real

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ThatGuyInTheSky
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/8/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 month ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ThatGuyInTheSky

Pro

God. He was there when nothing wasn't. Science proves itself wrong. You think that something comes from nothing. That is illogical. There is no scientific proof that God doesn't exist but there is proof that he does and you still think that he doesn't. If you do then at that point you are just being stubborn. Stephen Hawking's theory was that "space and time were no longer Absolute, No longer a fixed background to events. Instead, They were dynamical quantities that were shaped by the matter and energy in the universe. They were defined only within the universe, So it made no sense to talk of a time before the universe began. It would be like asking for a point south of the South Pole. It is not defined. If the universe was essentially unchanging in time, As was generally assumed before the 1920s, There would be no reason that time should not be defined arbitrarily far back. Any so-called beginning of the universe would be artificial, In the sense that one could extend the history back to earlier times. Thus it might be that the universe was created last year, But with all the memories and physical evidence, To look like it was much older. This raises deep philosophical questions about the meaning of existence. I shall deal with these by adopting what is called, The positivist approach. In this, The idea is that we interpret the input from our senses in terms of a model we make of the world. One can not ask whether the model represents reality, Only whether it works. A model is a good model if first, It interprets a wide range of observations, In terms of a simple and elegant model. And second, If the model makes definite predictions that can be tested and possibly falsified by observation. " this is a word for word of Stephen Hawking's incorrect statements. Gravity he said created everything, But this is illogical as gravity has no supernatural aspects. Just gravity is gravity and nothing else the universe was created by something and gravity is nothing.
BabyBoyRyomaHoshi

Con

I feel like you and Jackgilbert would make good friends.

Anyway, Let's do this. "You think that something comes from nothing. " No I don't. The earth came from stars exploding, Which made, In the words of Bill Wurtz "rocks, Ice, And funny clouds. Like this ball of flaming rocks (Earth). Oh sh*t, We just got hit by another ball of flaming rocks. " The eventually, The entire world is an ocean. Point is, That's how Earth was made, God did not do anything.

"There is no scientific proof that God doesn't exist" well, The proof that God doesn't exist is the "proof" that God does exist is incorrect.

"it might be that the universe was created last year, But with all the memories and physical evidence, To look like it was much older" the world ended in 2012 REEEEEEEEE. We have written, Video and photographic evidence that the world wasn't created a year ago.

Sources:

https://youtu. Be/xuCn8ux2gbs ('history of the entire world, I guess' by Bill Wurtz)

This argument is weak as f*ck but at least I know god isn't real.
Debate Round No. 1
ThatGuyInTheSky

Pro

To further elaborate on the "something comes from nothing", You can interpret that as saying we created God, But that is not how it is supposed to be interpreted. I am talking about the creation of the universe, And let me get started, It's a doozy.
Ok. So Einstein's theory was that displacement of spacetime is the cause of gravity and if you're confused with spacetime and what it is, They recently found this new particle called the Higgs boson. And this particle makes up the Higgs field which is essential. Anyways Einstein said that the displacement of spacetime is the cause of gravity, If this is the case, From the absence of gravity, Or the absence of spacetime, Must be pure gravity because of the law of flow. Things will go to the point of least resistance, And if there is nothing there to resist, That is the point of least resistance. So an absence of spacetime would be pure gravity. Black holes are an absence of space-time, Which is why absolutely nothing, Not even light, Can escape their pull. Also if the universe is all of space-time and the entire Higgs field all of space-time and matter everything, Then, Whatever"s outside of the universe must be an absence of spacetime. If that is the case then the universe is not expanding into the absolute void around it, It"s falling. Ok now think back to the beginning of time. We know that the universe has an age right. As far as we know it is 13. 8 billion years old. So 13. 8 billion years ago, The entire universe was reduced to a singularity. A particle that is smaller than the quark. However, If gravity is always working, I. E, If you jumped off a building your not going to fall 15 seconds later, You're going to fall immediately. And if gravity is always working, Then the singularity was always there. But there are people who try to say that the universe would have no age but it should be infinitely old. However it is not. As it has an age and that is 13. 8 billion years. And we're back at the "something can't come from nothing" statement. Now this is true because "something" would have to exist in order to cause itself to exist. And THIS is illogical, Because something other must have created the singularity. And that "something other" we observe, As God.
BabyBoyRyomaHoshi

Con

I didn't interpret it like that, I was also talking about the creation of the universe, I believe that was targeted to someone in the comment section but I felt like addressing it.

Now, The science stuff I obviously can't argue with. I write my arguments as I go and I don't exactly know how to put this into words. But, It isn't illogical I guess?

I mean, "God" technically came from nothing, But he doesn"t exist. I wanna turn back to Bill Wurtz (slightly obsessed)

So, Quarks are made of protons and neutrons, Add electrons and "congratulations, Now the world is a bunch of gas. " It gets closer together for about 500 million years and a star is made. They explode. Bigger stars explode with Passion and make some cool space dust. Now a bunch of elements exist. Then we get to the funny clouds and balls of flaming rocks.

But yeah, Something does not come from nothing. It's not illogical.

~~~extra stuff that's not part of my argument~~~

I thought of giving Bill's sources instead of just using his video as gospel but I don't see his sources in the description of his video. If you go to his website, Billwurtz. Com, And then hit expert mode, Go to 5. 10. 17 titled 'the history of the entire world, I guess', It takes you here https://billwurtz. Com/history-of-the-entire-world-i-guess. Html. For those who don't want to click, It says the title again and then two links. One to watch on youtube and one to download the video. So yeah, I'm just gonna take his wurtz for it.
Debate Round No. 2
ThatGuyInTheSky

Pro

Ok, Now I am just going to go with how I think of this. What I have said is what I have learned. This argument is going to be short and sweet. And I'm done with creation. Onto evolution. So this is where a lot of people have controversy over. Some people think that evolution is a thing, And I think that it is. And this is because we don't know how many times god created man except for one specific case, This is Adam and Eve. God hadn"t created time until we sinned so it could have been thousands of years before he created Adam and Eve, Because time was nonexistent
BabyBoyRyomaHoshi

Con

Well, Say that Adam and Eve was real, Time was still existent they just weren't aging. Time was still passing, It would have still existed, They just didn't age. So that isn't really proof that god is real.

Also, Evolution still could have happened whether or not god is real. If god isn't real, Then they evolved from you already know the argument. If god did exist (which he didn't(I have to throw that in because this argument looks neutral as f*ck)), He put some creatures on earth and then they changed to their environment.

So therefore, I don't see hoe this argument proves god is real.
Debate Round No. 3
ThatGuyInTheSky

Pro

If we are thinking about the evolution of humans, Then how do we know that Adam and Eve are even modern humans? Who's to say that they aren't early humans that are closer to the "ape/monkey stage" of humans. And even so, How do we know that we even were related to monkeys (please don't reprimand me on that last one). And I've watched all those documentaries about how we think evolution went down but what if we were wrong. . . ( V5;ಠ B2;Q5; V5;ಠ)
BabyBoyRyomaHoshi

Con

BabyBoyRyomaHoshi forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
ThatGuyInTheSky

Pro

Bee Movie Script - Dialogue Transcript
Voila! Finally, The Bee Movie script is here for all you fans of the Jerry Seinfeld animated movie. This puppy is a transcript that was painstakingly transcribed using the screenplay and/or viewings of the movie to get the dialogue. I know, I know, I still need to get the cast names in there and all that jazz, So if you have any corrections, Feel free to drop me a line. At least you'll have some Bee Movie quotes (or even a monologue or two) to annoy your coworkers with in the meantime, Right?
And swing on back to Drew's Script-O-Rama afterwards -- because reading is good for your noodle. Better than Farmville, Anyway.
Bee Movie Script

According to all known laws
of aviation,

there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.

Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.

The bee, Of course, Flies anyway

because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.

Yellow, Black. Yellow, Black.
Yellow, Black. Yellow, Black.

Ooh, Black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.

Barry! Breakfast is ready!

Ooming!

Hang on a second.

Hello?

- Barry?
- Adam?

- Oan you believe this is happening?
- I can't. I'll pick you up.

Looking sharp.

Use the stairs. Your father
paid good money for those.

Sorry. I'm excited.

Here's the graduate.
We're very proud of you, Son.

A perfect report card, All B's.

Very proud.

Ma! I got a thing going here.

- You got lint on your fuzz.
- Ow! That's me!

- Wave to us! We'll be in row 118, 000.
- Bye!

Barry, I told you,
stop flying in the house!

- Hey, Adam.
- Hey, Barry.

- Is that fuzz gel?
- A little. Special day, Graduation.

Never thought I'd make it.

Three days grade school,
three days high school.

Those were awkward.

Three days college. I'm glad I took
a day and hitchhiked around the hive.

You did come back different.

- Hi, Barry.
- Artie, Growing a mustache? Looks good.

- Hear about Frankie?
- Yeah.

- You going to the funeral?
- No, I'm not going.

Everybody knows,
sting someone, You die.

Don't waste it on a squirrel.
Such a hothead.

I guess he could have
just gotten out of the way.

I love this incorporating
an amusement park into our day.

That's why we don't need vacations.

Boy, Quite a bit of pomp. . .
under the circumstances.

- Well, Adam, Today we are men.
- We are!

- Bee-men.
- Amen!

Hallelujah!

Students, Faculty, Distinguished bees,

please welcome Dean Buzzwell.

Welcome, New Hive Oity
graduating class of. . .

. . . 9:15.

That concludes our ceremonies.

And begins your career
at Honex Industries!

Will we pick ourjob today?

I heard it's just orientation.

Heads up! Here we go.

Keep your hands and antennas
inside the tram at all times.

- Wonder what it'll be like?
- A little scary.

Welcome to Honex,
a division of Honesco

and a part of the Hexagon Group.

This is it!

Wow.

Wow.

We know that you, As a bee,
have worked your whole life

to get to the point where you
can work for your whole life.

Honey begins when our valiant Pollen
Jocks bring the nectar to the hive.

Our top-secret formula

is automatically color-corrected,
scent-adjusted and bubble-contoured

into this soothing sweet syrup

with its distinctive
golden glow you know as. . .

Honey!

- That girl was hot.
- She's my cousin!

- She is?
- Yes, We're all cousins.

- Right. You're right.
- At Honex, We constantly strive

to improve every aspect
of bee existence.

These bees are stress-testing
a new helmet technology.

- What do you think he makes?
- Not enough.

Here we have our latest advancement,
the Krelman.

- What does that do?
- Oatches that little strand of honey

that hangs after you pour it.
Saves us millions.

Oan anyone work on the Krelman?

Of course. Most bee jobs are
small ones. But bees know

that every small job,
if it's done well, Means a lot.

But choose carefully

because you'll stay in the job
you pick for the rest of your life.

The same job the rest of your life?
I didn't know that.

What's the difference?

You'll be happy to know that bees,
as a species, Haven't had one day off

in 27 million years.

So you'll just work us to death?

We'll sure try.

Wow! That blew my mind!

"What's the difference? "
How can you say that?

One job forever?
That's an insane choice to have to make.

I'm relieved. Now we only have
to make one decision in life.

But, Adam, How could they
never have told us that?

Why would you question anything?
We're bees.

We're the most perfectly
functioning society on Earth.

You ever think maybe things
work a little too well here?

Like what? Give me one example.

I don't know. But you know
what I'm talking about.

Please clear the gate.
Royal Nectar Force on approach.

Wait a second. Oheck it out.

- Hey, Those are Pollen Jocks!
- Wow.

I've never seen them this close.

They know what it's like
outside the hive.

Yeah, But some don't come back.

- Hey, Jocks!
- Hi, Jocks!

You guys did great!

You're monsters!
You're sky freaks! I love it! I love it!

- I wonder where they were.
- I don't know.

Their day's not planned.

Outside the hive, Flying who knows
where, Doing who knows what.

You can'tjust decide to be a Pollen
Jock. You have to be bred for that.

Right.

Look. That's more pollen
than you and I will see in a lifetime.

It's just a status symbol.
Bees make too much of it.

Perhaps. Unless you're wearing it
and the ladies see you wearing it.

Those ladies?
Aren't they our cousins too?

Distant. Distant.

Look at these two.

- Oouple of Hive Harrys.
- Let's have fun with them.

It must be dangerous
being a Pollen Jock.

Yeah. Once a bear pinned me
against a mushroom!

He had a paw on my throat,
and with the other, He was slapping me!

- Oh, My!
- I never thought I'd knock him out.

What were you doing during this?

Trying to alert the authorities.

I can autograph that.

A little gusty out there today,
wasn't it, Comrades?

Yeah. Gusty.

We're hitting a sunflower patch
six miles from here tomorrow.

- Six miles, Huh?
- Barry!

A puddle jump for us,
but maybe you're not up for it.

- Maybe I am.
- You are not!

We're going 0900 at J-Gate.

What do you think, Buzzy-boy?
Are you bee enough?

I might be. It all depends
on what 0900 means.

Hey, Honex!

Dad, You surprised me.

You decide what you're interested in?

- Well, There's a lot of choices.
- But you only get one.

Do you ever get bored
doing the same job every day?

Son, Let me tell you about stirring.

You grab that stick, And you just
move it around, And you stir it around.

You get yourself into a rhythm.
It's a beautiful thing.

You know, Dad,
the more I think about it,

maybe the honey field
just isn't right for me.

You were thinking of what,
making balloon animals?

That's a bad job
for a guy with a stinger.

Janet, Your son's not sure
he wants to go into honey!

- Barry, You are so funny sometimes.
- I'm not trying to be funny.

You're not funny! You're going
into honey. Our son, The stirrer!

- You're gonna be a stirrer?
- No one's listening to me!

Wait till you see the sticks I have.

I could say anything right now.
I'm gonna get an ant tattoo!

Let's open some honey and celebrate!

Maybe I'll pierce my thorax.
Shave my antennae.

Shack up with a grasshopper. Get
a gold tooth and call everybody "dawg"!

I'm so proud.

- We're starting work today!
- Today's the day.

Oome on! All the good jobs
will be gone.

Yeah, Right.

Pollen counting, Stunt bee, Pouring,
stirrer, Front desk, Hair removal. . .

- Is it still available?
- Hang on. Two left!

One of them's yours! Oongratulations!
Step to the side.

- What'd you get?
- Picking crud out. Stellar!

Wow!

Oouple of newbies?

Yes, Sir! Our first day! We are ready!

Make your choice.

- You want to go first?
- No, You go.

Oh, My. What's available?

Restroom attendant's open,
not for the reason you think.

- Any chance of getting the Krelman?
- Sure, You're on.

I'm sorry, The Krelman just closed out.

Wax monkey's always open.

The Krelman opened up again.

What happened?

A bee died. Makes an opening. See?
He's dead. Another dead one.

Deady. Deadified. Two more dead.

Dead from the neck up.
Dead from the neck down. That's life!

Oh, This is so hard!

Heating, Cooling,
stunt bee, Pourer, Stirrer,

humming, Inspector number seven,
lint coordinator, Stripe supervisor,

mite wrangler. Barry, What
do you think I should. . . Barry?

Barry!

All right, We've got the sunflower patch
in quadrant nine. . .

What happened to you?
Where are you?

- I'm going out.
- Out? Out where?

- Out there.
- Oh, No!

I have to, Before I go
to work for the rest of my life.

You're gonna die! You're crazy! Hello?

Another call coming in.

If anyone's feeling brave,
there's a Korean deli on 83rd

that gets their roses today.

Hey, Guys.

- Look at that.
- Isn't that the kid we saw yesterday?

Hold it, Son, Flight deck's restricted.

It's OK, Lou. We're gonna take him up.

Really? Feeling lucky, Are you?

Sign here, Here. Just initial that.

- Thank you.
- OK.

You got a rain advisory today,

and as you all know,
bees cannot fly in rain.

So be careful. As always,
watch your brooms,

hockey sticks, Dogs,
birds, Bears and bats.

Also, I got a couple of reports
of root beer being poured on us.

Murphy's in a home because of it,
babbling like a cicada!

- That's awful.
- And a reminder for you rookies,

bee law number one,
absolutely no talking to humans!

All right, Launch positions!

Buzz, Buzz, Buzz
BabyBoyRyomaHoshi

Con

BabyBoyRyomaHoshi forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
14 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by ThatGuyInTheSky 2 months ago
ThatGuyInTheSky
both in the comments and the argument
Posted by ThatGuyInTheSky 2 months ago
ThatGuyInTheSky
oof i just got burned
Posted by Im_Intelligent 2 months ago
Im_Intelligent
And even if i am completely wrong in my reasoning and the universe irrefutably had a beginning, That doesn't mean that cause and effect were the same at beginning of the universe, And furthermore if we cannot figure this out what gives pro the intellectual high ground to stick his god there and be like "i know the answer".

Often times when dealing with people like pro, I encounter a similar situation, They often lead the evidence to there own preferred conclusion rather then following it, They seem to be unaware of the true extent of what we have actually figured out and have evidence for, And probably the worst of all, They don't seem to understand that their own ignorance of something be it the subject or evidence is not evidence against something they are trying to prove or disprove, This often led to debates where 90% of my time was spent educating my opponent on what the facts actually are rather then actually debating the subject at hand, This was only amplified when these opponents proceeded to ignore anything anyone told them and proceeded to continue use of their faulty understanding of the subject or subjects, Which makes me wounder why they even wanted to debate at all.
Posted by Im_Intelligent 2 months ago
Im_Intelligent
Pro invokes a classic go to argument for both Christians and creationists alike "You cannot get something from nothing, Its illogical" but of course pro immediately proceeds to special plead god from the same logic he using to prove his point. Often the rebuttal they will give when pointed out on their failed attempt at special pleading is to say "God is eternal and therefor does not need a creator" well then why not save yourself an entire leap in logic and conclude that in some form or shape the universe is eternal? General relativity tells us that the way things are observed is subjective to the entity that is observing it or acting apon that given space and time, So it could be possible that the universe is an infinite expanse of both space and time without a beginning or end and that the universe in which we observe is just a recent event of this infinite expanse, Of course this is just speculation based on what we currently understand and observe, But it saves an entire unevidented leap in logic to an eternal being as pro seems to propose, And pathetically i might add as well.
Posted by Im_Intelligent 2 months ago
Im_Intelligent
You know that video where AVGN gets pissed off reviewing Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde?

I got a pretty similar feeling reading pros opening argument, Except instead of AVGN its me, And instead of a shitt* game its a shitt* argument.

Long story short, This debate is an intellectual failure on pros part.
Posted by ThatGuyInTheSky 2 months ago
ThatGuyInTheSky
Lol over 1000 people i just have to say. . . SUBSCRIBE TO LITCHMICH
Posted by ThatGuyInTheSky 2 months ago
ThatGuyInTheSky
also i have to do it for a class. Ugh
Posted by ThatGuyInTheSky 2 months ago
ThatGuyInTheSky
sorry if it was weak. I am basing my hypothesis off of what i know
Posted by EggnaMode 2 months ago
EggnaMode
Hey, Would you like to add to my debate? I believe you said you would if you remembered: https://www. Debate. Org/debates/One-in-Five-Women-Have-Been-Raped-Is-Bogus/1/
Posted by ThatGuyInTheSky 2 months ago
ThatGuyInTheSky
Lol i have been told that me and jack gilbert would be good friends
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