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godrulz
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BGreeneID
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Is God timeless or does He experience endless time?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/12/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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godrulz

Pro

The traditional view suggests that God is strongly immutable, impassible, timeless, etc. Not all tradition is truth. I would suggest this view came later and is from Plato, Augustine, Aristotle, Aquinas, Boethius, etc. I would suggest that endless time (duration, sequence, succession) is Hebraic, biblical, coherent and will have implications for omniscience, foreknowledge, prayer, etc. Related issues of Einstein/relativity, etc. factor in, but are measures and perceptions of time the same as philosophical, fundamental time?

For theists and secular philosophers, this is a wide open, technical debate. From a Christian view, I would agree more with Nicholas Wolterstorff, J.R. Lucas, etc. with William Lane Craig's view of timeless before creation/temporal after creation being better than strictly timeless views.

Biblical support exists, but godly philosophy/thinking will also be necessary to have an informed view since the Bible is not explicit on all theological/philosophical issues.
BGreeneID

Con

there is no god. religion is a disgusting cult
Debate Round No. 1
godrulz

Pro

Why are there so many immature, ignorant, arrogant people ruining debates. Finish responding, so I can start again with a mature person who sticks to the topic.

IF there was a God, would He be timeless or temporal? Even atheistic philosophers are interested in this question.
BGreeneID

Con

There is no god, therefore your debate is just another disgusting attempt to instill religion on a secular site. Why do YOU have to troll us with this nonsense?
Debate Round No. 2
godrulz

Pro

Saying there is no God is a claim that you are not making argumentation for. I did not know this is a secular site since it has a philosophy and religion section that theists would have a place at the table to make an argument. The debate is not about whether God exists, but is for those who would inquire about how an eternal God relates to time/eternity. Theistic and atheistic thinkers speculate on this (if there is a god, then...).

Why would you engage in a debate just to mock and discredit? This is ignorant and immature. These topics are allowed here and of interest to people who can think, not just beg the question.

Is there a way to refuse to allow a con to participate when they are just being a troll?
BGreeneID

Con

go f*ck yourself
Debate Round No. 3
godrulz

Pro

Don't be a mental midget.
BGreeneID

Con

Go f*ck yourself bible thumping racist white trump lover
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by dsjpk5 3 years ago
dsjpk5
Doesn't "endless time" imply a beginning? After all, duration and succession implies a beginning. You can't measure something if it has no beginning or end.

So the question for you, Pro, is... when do you think God began to exist?
Posted by Evidence 3 years ago
Evidence
Hey Godrulz, what is your view, what would I debate since God is outside of time, just as Infinite is outside of space.
Another words, do you believe that Jesus (who is the Beginning and the End, is God? Residing in "infinite time"?
Thanks.
Posted by Evidence 3 years ago
Evidence
God is not in time, just as our mind/soul isn't, .. our mind is of God, Infinite and Eternal.
Time is like space, only valid. or only makes sense for finite/physical things.

As for Einstein's Relativity story, it is solely based on the BB-Evolution religion, in support of the story of what supposedly happened millions and billions 0f years ago, before the religions invented all these gods in time and space. His theory has nothing to do with reality, just like religiously created gods don't.
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Vote Placed by DNehlsen 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Arguer pro made an opening statement for his case. Arguer con made no refutation or argument, thus looses convincing arguments. Con failed to use proper grammar in his short, aggressive responses. Con also loses conduct and grammar points because of this.
Vote Placed by dsjpk5 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Twice, Con told Pro to fck himself. This is poor conduct.

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