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r3v3s
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carnew
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Is consciousness separate from the perceived?

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Started: 5/8/2018 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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r3v3s

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All opinions seem to be rooted in beliefs, even the sense of self - a core belief that developed as your surroundings, and eventually inner world, influenced your experience.

Both the identity and any other system of identification, can be changed and altered countless ways. Observe the order of nature, and understand the emotional connections to ideas, that all are based on intellectual and emotional approaches to whatever.

Approaches, knowledge and emotions that changed throughout pretty much all history (his story). Nothing seems to be real but consciousness - all perceived is energy, frequency and vibration, a story overlaid with a seemingly new story in every moment.

Thoughts and emotions; both are electrochemical reactions, atoms interacting with atoms. Science does not know what consciousness is, yet all perceived by the consciousness ultimately is vibration and frequency.

Here's excerpts from various religious systems - From John 1:1 (ion 11) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Words have sounds, sounds vibrate, vibration is energy, energy glows, glowing is light, light is a wave, a wave is caused by vibration. Here from Genesis 1:3 "And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light."

The ancient Egyptians considered Thoth to be creator of all knowledge, creativity and magic, as the most relevant abilities for this explanation, as well as the maintainer of the universe. Atum was considered the finisher of the world, and the one who would return to watery chaos at the end of the creative cycle. Thoths "grandparent" is Nu, the deification of the watery abyss that existed before all.

In the kabbalah we have Ein Sof, which is considered to be god before any of this. This place have had many gods, and in general Thor, Zeus, Jupitor as well as many many of the other "gods" are considered to be the same. In ancient buddhism we have Brahma, which basically means "ultimate reality" and we have his consort Saraswati " which means "essence of self" or "one with plenty of water".

In kabbalah we have the tree of life, turn that 90 degrees, and we get IX XI (9 11). 9 11"s arranged as 111111111 times 111111111 gives all numbers (12345678987654321). On 911 there"s 111 day left of the year. 9 11"s could also be written a 3 111"s. 111 divided by 3 is 37. 12345678987654321 divided by 37 is 333666999666333 (look into 369 vortex math)

Leaders, royals and other controllers/influencers of society often associate with occult groups, such as skull and bones. They have a secret number which is 322, as mentioned by both Bush junior and John Kerry in interviews. These people seemingly love to mirror things, and 322-223 is 99 which is 11 times 9.

Some documentaries and writings on kabballah suggests that the secret of the kabballah is how to manipulate reality one atom at a time using rituals, symbolism and group focus. The elite apparently force these numbers upon us, to include us in their rituals, otherwise they won"t work. With that in mind, numbers such as the following example become very interesting, the post Brexit market panic occurred 7 years 7 months 7 weeks and 7 days after the Dow Jones index dropped 777 points.

I propose that there are but 2 entities, a dimensionless consciousness of no things, and a vibrating eye/ego, which only function is to create a contrast to an awareness of nothing. At some point, the vibration changed into a wave, and took part of the focus of something that never experienced light and manipulation. Eventually Thoth, or thought, manifested, the god/guide within, then eventually believed to be the guide that is us.

I hope that those who feel like debating will check up on the various things, or already has knowledge.
carnew

Con

WELl did you noe that the bibl has also said: "And thou shalt xXx_360_no_scope_xXx thy neihbour and their whole flippen TF2 team" (1st Leonardo DeCaprio, chapter 1 verse 0) so it is evident that consciousness= yaint the big not percieved or seperate. Consciousness= the tf2 team as referenced in 1st Leonardo DeCaprio verse 0. Aren't similes a beutiufl thing?
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r3v3s

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This is not about the bible, or online games.
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Posted by Masterful 3 years ago
Masterful
You're ranting a bit in my opinion. If you want a debate about consciousness then you can't start going off on tangents about the Egyptians and Brexit.
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