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KJnonviolentresistance
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FollowerofChrist1955
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Is homosexuality normal and should gay marriage be a right for people to have?

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KJnonviolentresistance

Pro

You may start the debate.

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2) Use the English language in an understandable way, so it is easy to read your argument.
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

Abstract

Prenatal sex was diagnosed by the sex chromatin and the Y fluorescent body techniques simultaneously applied to uncultured amniotic fluid cells obtained by amniocentesis in 111 cases during the second trimester of pregnancy and in 6 cases at term. The accuracy of the sex chromatin scoring alone, of 97.5 per cent, was not improved by association with the Y method, which offered incorrect findings in phenotypically male fetuses and in 1 of 60 phenotypically female fetuses.

http://www.ajog.org...(72)90807-1/abstract

testing of amniotic Fluid alone produced a 97.5% accuracy of predetermination of FEMALE babies, while the Y method existing within the amniotic WAS ABLE to detect of 57 tests accurately 51 babies accurately BEFORE BIRTH. where 6 births failed in the sex determination before birth!

Females have an XX pair of sex chromosomes, and males, an XY pair. A baby’s gender is determined by the sperm cell that fertilizes a woman’s egg. Sperm carry one sex chromosome, either a Y (male) or X (female).
http://www.gender-baby.com...


Your baby’s sex is determined at conception by his or her genes. Embryos with XY chromosomes become boys, and those with XX chromosomes become girls.
https://www.whattoexpect.com...


Usually, a person has 46 chromosomes in each cell, divided into 23 pairs, which includes two sex chromosomes. ... Boys typically have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome, or XY, but boys with XXY syndrome have an extra X chromosome, or XXY. Klinefelter syndrome is not caused by anything the parents did or did not do.

What Are the Signs & Symptoms of Klinefelter Syndrome?
The XXY condition that causes Klinefelter syndrome can't be changed, but medical treatment

Not all boys with Klinefelter syndrome will have noticeable symptoms. Other boys can have symptoms that are physically apparent or problems with speech, learning, and development. Babies with Klinefelter syndrome typically have weak muscles, reduced strength, and quiet personalities. They also can take longer to do things like sit up, crawl, walk, and speak.

http://kidshealth.org...

Results

6,793 people (4,432 birth-assigned male, 2,361 birth-assigned female) visited our gender identity clinic from 1972 through 2015.

http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org...(18)30057-2/fulltext

point of use: SPECIFIES BIRTH ASSIGNED SEXES. ABSOLUTELY NO correlation between ACTUAL sex gender assigned at BIRTH. and subjects Mental IDENTIFICATION processes.

extrapolation ... SEX GENDER assignment AT BIRTH REMAINS UNCHANGED! Verification via Klinefelter Syndrome, which SPECIFIES NO CHANGE POSSIBLE TO ALTER CHROMOSOME within humanity!


Abstract

Background

Transgender individuals sometimes seek gender confirmation treatments (GCT), including hormone therapy (HT) and/or surgical change of the chest and genitalia (“top” and “bottom” gender confirmation surgeries). These treatments may ameliorate distress resulting from the in congruence between one's physical appearance and gender identity.

http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org...(18)30058-4/fulltext

extrapolation: IT"'S ALL IN THE MIND; importance on alleviating MENTAL DISTRESS from perverse or abnormal desire of wishful thinking rather that actual medical treatment

a·me·lio·rate
make (something bad or unsatisfactory) better.

CONCLUSION: SEX is an unchangeable characteristic of all existence. That is beyond doubt or question FROM A PURELY MEDICAL CERTAINTY that MEDICAL/SURGICAL INTERVENTION cannot even remotely ALTER SEX AT ALL! Thus the term SEX-CHANGE is a Placebo TERM that CANNOT ACTUALLY occur in Reality!

This means that whatever SEX was assigned AT BIRTH REMAINS IN EFFECT THROUGHOUT the LIFE of the subject! It further PROVES that all attempts made by Medical/Surgical Sciences are for the benefit of AMELIORATE purposes ONLY.
Precisely as has been stated in JSM.JSEXMED.ORG above the BEST that can be hoped for is to AMELIORATE the subject.

ADDITIONAL Conclusions based on Scientific Data, rather than opinion, conjecture or wishful Thinking. The above facts as defined in Medical literature, demonstrates from a purely NON ENOTIONAL or biased standpoint that Homosexuality tendencies are indeed an aberration of the psychic inconsistent with normal sexual behaviors to such a degree that the renowned Freud once postulated that quote;
"persons afflicted with such an incompatibility of normal physique and psychic homosexual inclinations lead a pathetic existence." unquote

It would appear that such individuals have become so fed up with this existence that rather than CHANGE themselves, it's the desire of the abnormal person to ALTER SOCIETY instead, in it's attempt of normalcy in an perverse lifestyle!

Hence the TERM "PERVERSION"
When defined it means Precisely what the Homosexual and LGBT Lifestyle IS to wit; 1. the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.

2.sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable.


Hence the TERM "NORMAL"
When defined it means precisely what the Homosexual and LGBT LIFESTYLE IS NOT to wit; 1.conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.

2.
The usual, average, or typical state or condition.

3. a person who is conventional or healthy.



adults identify as LGBT (4.1%) up from 3.5%
http://news.gallup.com...

That the continued ignoring of the problem IS having a negative impact on the POPULATION at large, driving more and more to accept a clearly abnormal lifestyle of sexual perversion and Lustful lifestyle is a given, in view of the INCREASE in deviate behavior of otherwise normal adults.

Statistics now resonate that by reason of the PUSH of the LGBT LOBBIES within government that know its perverse and harmful effects are now being pushed upon children who also now claim the SAME MENTAL aberration as the adults who suffer from this Medically Proved delusion.

Suffice it to say, that the cowardice of the Government to lose their cushy Jobs. This as will continue its upward spiral as more and more Souls plummet into debauchery and moral decay. As a Society we can have no complaints towards those things we have purposely ignored till they become unstoppable. Like the School shootings, University sit ins and riots when someone speaks who disagrees with their agenda, or emotional immaturity, Like the stealing , robbery, murder and rapes that have become a normal pastime to the indigent, unschooled welfare persons who are NOW completely dependent upon government money for subsistence.

Yes we COULD have STOPPED IT THEN? No more! Now this NEW THREAT invades our culture and shows no signs of stopping. Calling Normal what Hard Science calls Mental delusion! Now the Government is paying Scientist to MAKE UP things to appease the LGBT LOBBY. No matter, in the end it IS YOU and YOUR CHILDREN who shall bear the brunt of the corruption!

As to SHOULD they be given RIGHTS TO? I'm afraid YOU LOST THE RIGHT TO SAY LONG AGO. Your just to stupid to KNOW IT!
Debate Round No. 1
KJnonviolentresistance

Pro

Most of your argument has no relevance to homosexuality and the normalcy of it. Instead you go depth in to the genetic part of how fetuses come to form, and how people who have transitioned are confused, abnormal and mentally disturbed. People who have transitioned and homosexuality are different in that transitioning has to do with gender identity and homosexuality has to do with sexual preferences and attraction.

Sigmund Freud may have said that it leads to a pathetic existence, but he never said anything about it being wrong. In a response to a worried mother's inquiry about the sexuality of her son, Sigmund Freud writes, "I gather from your letter that your son is a homosexual... May I question you why you avoid it? Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. Many highly respectable individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals, several of the greatest men among them. (Plato, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc). It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime " and a cruelty, too..." --"The American Journal of Psychiatry".
You claim that homosexuals are "so fed up with this existence that rather than CHANGE themselves, it's the desire of the abnormal person to ALTER SOCIETY instead, in its attempt of normalcy in a perverse lifestyle!"
May I state for the record you get the idea that homosexuals are fed up with their existence from one quote from a non-homosexual being that died in 1939, but in his letter stated "it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function".
You are right that we wish to alter society, but not because we are fed up with trying to change ourselves. It is only to alter society's perception of us, so we aren't continually degraded, beaten and killed anymore.

Here is the definition of perversion from Oxford Dictionaries:
1. the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended:
2. sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable.
The "LGBT lifestyle" is nowhere close to this definition. What could qualify as perverse is pedophilia which is NOT by any means accepted with in the LGBTQ+ community; pedophilla is gross, disgusting and corruption to its core.

Now on to the argument at hand, is homosexuality normal?
May not be as common with in human society because of the continual prejudice and discrimination that the LGBTQ+ community faces might scare away members who then try to fake being heterosexuals to avoid back lash from said heterosexuals who do find it perverse when it is perfectly normal throughout the animal kingdom.

According to PACTISS " Philosophers and Critical Thinkers in Senior Schools: Resources for Educators, "'One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species,'" explains Petter Boeckman... The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity"s closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays a conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals... Lions are also homosexual. Male lions often band together with their brothers to lead the pride. To ensure loyalty, they strengthen the bonds by often having sex with each other. Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales. The pairing of males and females is fleeting, while between males, a pair can stay together for years. Homosexual sex between different species is not unusual either. Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a "sex orgy". Homosexuality is a social phenomenon and is most widespread among animals with a complex herd life. Among the apes it is the females that create the continuity within the group. The social network is maintained not only by sharing food and the child rearing, but also by having sex. Among many of the female apes the sex organs swell up. So, they rub their abdomens against each other," explains Petter Bockman and points out that animals have sex because they have the desire to, just like we humans. HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR HAS BEEN OBSERVED IN 1,500 ANIMAL SPECIES. "We"re talking about everything from mammals to crabs and worms. The actual number is of course much higher. Among some animal's homosexual behavior is rare, some having sex with the same gender only a part of their life, while other animals, such as the dwarf chimpanzee, homosexuality is practiced throughout their lives." Animals that live a completely homosexual life can also be found. This occurs especially among birds that will pair with one partner for life, which is the case with geese and ducks. Four to five percent of the couples are homosexual. Single females will lay eggs in a homosexual pair"s nest. It has been observed that the homosexual couple are often better at raising the young than heterosexual couples. When you see a colony of black-headed gulls, you can be sure that almost every tenth pair is lesbian. The females have no problems with being impregnated, although, according to Petter Boeckman they cannot be defined as bisexual. "If a female has sex with a male one time, but thousands of times with another female, is she bisexual or homosexual?http://pactiss.org...

According to Yale Scientific, "Recent research has found that homosexual behavior in animals may be much more common than previously thought. Although Darwin"s theory of natural selection predicts an evolutionary disadvantage for animals that fail to pass along their traits through reproduction with the opposite sex, the validity of this part of his theory has been questioned... Biologists Nathan W. Bailey and Marlene Zuk... have investigated the evolutionary consequences and implications of same-sex behavior, and their findings demonstrate benefits to what seems to be an evolutionary paradox. For example, their studies of the Laysan albatross show that female-female pairing can increase fitness by taking advantage of the excess of females and shortage of males in the population and provide superior care for offspring. Moreover, same-sex pairing in many species actually alleviates the likelihood of divorce and curtails the pressure on the opposite sex by allowing members to exhibit more flexibility to form partnerships, which in turn strengthens social bonds and reduces competition. Thus, not only do animals exhibit homosexuality, but the existence of this behavior is quite prevalent and may also confer certain evolutionary advantages."
http://www.yalescientific.org...
CONCLUSION: Homosexuality is normal and provides many evolutionary advantages across the animal kingdom.

You also claim, "That the continued ignoring of the problem IS having a negative impact on the POPULATION at large, driving more and more to accept a clearly abnormal lifestyle of sexual perversion and Lustful lifestyle is a given, in view of the INCREASE in deviate behavior of otherwise normal adults." First of all, where is your proof? You can't go around making claims and not proving them. If anyone is a homosexual it is not who they are, but rather WHAT they are which is something they can't change. If there is an increase in what you call "deviate behavior" it is because more and more people are starting to feel safer about coming out as a homosexual. Now you also claim that homosexuality is a "lustful lifestyle", but I would like to ask you what is the difference that makes heterosexuality not lustful? If I have learned anything it is that men are very rarely held accountable for their lustfulness. To the extent of which women including lesbian women need to take precautions to protect themselves from getting raped by these lustful heterosexual men.

You also said within your response, "Statistic now resonate that by reason of the PUSH of the LGBT LOBBIES within government..." I would like to see these statistics that you speak of. Once again you can NOT make claims and not prove them.
You then continue to claim that this is only happening because "the Government [fears] to lose their cushy Jobs." The government has only bestowed rights upon the LGBTQ+ community because people within Congress recognizes that this minority doesn't have the same protections or rights that anyone else has. Let me clarify that the LGBTQ+ doesn't want more rights or protection but the same because that is equality.
To quote you, "Calling normal what hard science calls Mental delusion!" Well, this is false, and no evidence supports this argument. Plus, what is this "hard science" you speak of? Sigmund Freud? Because I have already proven that Sigmund Freud (outdated by the way) and other biologists find this normal and nothing "to be ashamed of."
Again, you have exclaimed, "Your just to stupid to KNOW IT!" First of all, this breaks rule one because you are using offensive language.

Now onto the second question, should gay marriage be a right for people to have? Gay marriage should be a right for people to have because...

-What people do with their life is not the government or anyone else's business to dictate.
-Having gay marriage an option for people doesn"t mean you have to, so what the problem with it for you.
-Everyone should have choices in all walks of life.
-Marriage is not based on reproduction but upon companionship.
-With gay marriage more, orphans would be adopted.
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

Lies? REALLY?

Would it not been better to just admit, you couldn't FIND anything that actually PROMOTES Homosexuality as a NORMAL lifestyle?

I am very disappointed in you! Would it not have served YOU better to readily admit defeat rather than RESORT to obvious tomfolery?

Since you subscribe to oxford;

tomfoolery; Foolish or silly behaviour.

deception
; The action of deceiving someone.
A thing that deceives.

dishonest;
Behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy, deceitful, or insincere way.
Intended to mislead or cheat.


liar;
A person who tells lies.

Shall we START FROM THE TOP?


Pro states- Most of your argument has no relevance to homosexuality and the normalcy of it.

THE ENTIRE document SETS AT REST, the TOTAL FALSE BELIEF OF SEXCHANGE CAPABILITIES .... EVER!
The FACTS MANDATE that Males are Males in perpituity, and that Females are females in perpituity!

What does this mean to the INTELLIGENT Human? That sexchange IS ABNORMAL, as it does NOT nor CANNOT exist in REALITY!
You can have a hole put in your body ... but it will ALWAYS JUST BE A HOLE ... NOT A VAGINA! Microwave LOOKS LIKE A TV ... AIN'T NEVER GONNA BE A TV!

That YOU could NOT or perhaps DO NOT have the intelligence to determine that from the Facts presented? You should honestly have mentioned that you were incapable of rational thought. I mean that's an awfully BIG point to Leave out!

How was I to be AWARE that YOU NEEDED FREUD to tell you what IS or ISN'T normal?


Normalcy of Homosexuality!
Not Normal as defined by Hard Sientific data:

fe·male
adjective: female
1.
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

"NOT PRODUCIBLE IN HOMOSEXUALS"

male
adjective: male
1.
of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

"NOT PRODUCIBLE IN LESBIANS"

ho·mo·sex·u·al
adjective: homosexual
1.
(of a person) sexually attracted to people of one's own sex.
involving or characterized by sexual attraction between people of the same sex.

Pro's Definition of Perversion:
Here is the definition of perversion from Oxford Dictionaries:
1. the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended:
2. sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable.


procreation
Here is the definition of perversion from Oxford Dictionaries:
The production of offspring; reproduction.
‘in general animals copulate purely for the purpose of procreation’
‘human procreation’

To HAVE to tell one who DESIRES TO PRESENT intellegence? Integrity? and Fair play, and impartiality. You are failing miserably in all areas.

IF your NOT going to be mature in this, and cite actual FACTS instead of peoples opinions, thoughts and conjectures. I'll just be on my way. I've given you facts ... you come back with LIES and imagination!

OH PLEASE, peoples opinion of normalcy ... which when held up to REAL Scientific FACTS. Demonstrate that OPINIONS IS ALL any resource can cite! ... http://www.yalescientific.org......

Give me a Science fact that STATES Men CAN BE Women not pacebos! IT JUST Doesn"t exist?

That PEOPLE THINK it's normal DOESN'T MAKE IT NORMAL genius! We can Legalize stealing, won"t change the FACT that it isn't ... We can legalize prostitution ... WILL NOT MAKE it Moral, we did legalize sex outside of wedlock and 90% of the Planets going to HELL for it. WHY? Cause LEGALIZING IT DIDN'T CHANGE IT FROM BEING SIN, Gilligan?

I'm gonna let your stupidity Go this time ... give it another try ... Hey I know lets try intelligence and Honesty ... what do you say.

Post more nonsence and I'll let this debate DIE, if you intention is to DECIEVE the young, the stupid or the unitelligent!
Capish!

So try it again, and drop the comedy!



Debate Round No. 2
KJnonviolentresistance

Pro

I want to be clear calling me names or acting immature won't get you anywhere. You may rip at my argument because that's what debaters do, but you may not throw insults at me.

When I said most of your argument had no relevancy to the question at hand it was because you went on about people who have transitioned and how sex change is abnormal but that speaks to gender identity. That does not speak to homosexuality which is sexual preference or attraction and to compare them to each other is not a clear analogy.

Just to answer your question if I need Freud to think properly: Is no, I don"t, but I only used him in my argument since you originally quoted him. Plus, I also said that I thought him as an individual was outdated.

To make it clear once again this is not a debate about if "Men CAN BE Women not pacebos." We aren't discussing transgendered people.

You said, "That PEOPLE THINK it's normal DOESN'T MAKE IT NORMAL genius!" Normal is society's perception of common trends throughout human civilization and nature itself, so if people or society thinks its normal then that does indeed mean it is normal because it is perceived that way by society which defines what is normal or not.

You also said, "Cause LEGALIZING IT DIDN'T CHANGE IT FROM BEING SIN, Gilligan?" I'm assuming when you say sin you are referring to the sins that are stated throughout the Christian bible. It may still be a sin in the bibles eyes but within society or the present it is legal and that is all the matters.

Let me give you some food for thought.

"Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ..."(Ephesians 6:5).

"Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed" (1 Timothy 6).

"Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but to the overbearing. For one is approved if, mindful of God, he endures pain while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it, if when you do wrong and are beaten for it you take it patiently? But if when you do right and suffer for it you take it patiently, you have God's approval" (1 Peter 2:18-20).

All three of these biblical quotes condone slavery, yet it has been illegal for a long time at least in the United States. Just because the bible says it is okay does that mean in society and under the law that slavery should be okay as well!? Making slavery illegal does not change the bible from saying it is okay. Legalizing gay marriage doesn"t stop it from being a "sin," sure, but a lot of other things with in the bible as well don"t uphold or support a lot of today's common ideology as well.

The con side never responded to my claims for why gay marriage should be a right for people to have, so I will repeat them.

Gay marriage should be a right for people to have because...

-What people do with their life is not the government or anyone else's business to dictate.

-Having gay marriage an option for people doesn't mean you have to use that right.

-Everyone should have choices in all walks of life.

-Marriage is not based on reproduction but upon companionship.

-With gay marriage more, orphans would be adopted.

-Diversity and different lifestyles makes America great because that means we aren't all the same and we can contribute to society in different ways.
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

SIGH!
Once again the communications Process has broken down!


To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture. Enjoy, sir, your insensibility of feeling and reflecting. It is the prerogative of animals.

Thomas Paine: American Crisis

It appears your entire argument is predicated on fantasy, human opinion, and LIES. Again The point is, was to establish correctness from the standpoint of TRUTH, not opinion, as OPINIONS are so wide and varied, but share a singular commonality ... THEIR LIES, based completely on animalistic feeling, bereft of reason, decency and civility!

Your ENTIRE argument, was even WORSE than your original response? We seek TRUTH, not WARM FUZZY! REASON, not emotional comfort, INTELIGENCE not childishness born of lack of Discipline and incapability of thought! You youngster appear to wish to SKIP right over truth, and establish consensus, based virtually on TOTAL OPINIONS which have as their basis, not the slightest grain of truth!

A civilized Society as has been demonstrated over the last three years, has mass produced insanity, based in totality on appeasing feelings, emotions, and desires instead of leadership. Thus we now have a World of Mass school shootings, 18 last year, Approval of perverse abnormal people to marry same sex, Loss of Business Owners Right to serve whom they Please, Loss of Right to post literature, or posters voicing disapproval of Homosexual agenda, complete change of the Discrimination Laws placing sexual orientation as if it is a Race, Age or Sex discrimination rather than a CHOICE, as you well know your not being hired NOT because your a Female, Not Because your a Male ... Rather your NOT BEING HIRED BECAUSE by all appearances YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE.

That you cannot come up with so simple of a CONCLUSION, clearly shows want of Reason, Lack of maturity and confusion to the point of Mental instability. Why on Earth would a REASONED BUSINESS OWNER set you before their customers, or tending The cash register, or stocking shelves ... you don't even KNOW WHAT you are, how can I trust YOU to know WHEN to stock!


Shall we LOOK at your childish responses?

PRO: I want to be clear calling me names or acting immature won't get you anywhere.

Hmm bears a striking resemblance to PEEWEE Herman's ... "I know you are but what am I," doesn't it?

"PRO: You may rip at my argument "

.. http://www.yalescientific.org.........


According to Yale Scientific, "Recent research has found that homosexual behavior in animals may be much more common than previously thought.

Although Darwin"s theory of natural selection predicts an evolutionary disadvantage for animals that fail to pass along their traits through reproduction with the opposite sex,

Okay lets LOOK at THIS and you tell me that was not the STUPIDIEST STATEMENT that a Human can make!

CAN two SAME SEX PARTNERS From inception of LIFE, PASS genetic TRAITS to OFFSPRING?

HINT:Females have an XX pair of sex chromosomes, and males, an XY pair. A baby’s gender is determined by the sperm cell that fertilizes a woman’s egg. Sperm carry one sex chromosome, either a Y (male) or X (female).

Can 2 Females produce SPERM for the OVA? NO can they EVER PASS ON GENETIC TRAIT? CAN THE EVER PRODUCE OFFSPRING? NO


male

adjective: male

1.

of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

CAN EITHER MALE PRODUCE AN OVA ... EVER? So then is NATURAL SELECTION EVEN A REMOTE POSSIBILITY IN YOUR PARADIGM?

Do you SEE, how COMPLETELY INSANE, IRRATIONAL, UNSCIENTIFIC ARE YOU ... and I use this term VERY LOOSELY ... arguments, which are IN NO WAY ACTUAL ARGUMENTS MERELY LIES, based completely on the AGENDA BASED ideology of persons who clearly should NOT BE INVOLVED in debates.

I mean to openly suggest passing on TRAITS when you speak of 2 SAME SEX creatures ... is LUNACY, Stupidity equivalent to DUMB AS DIRT levels?

and yet YOUR OFFENDED, because I point out the absolute ABSENCE of maturity and Reason is your ENTIRE DISCUSSION!

Do I NEED TO GO ON?

What about THIS CLEARLY WELL THOUGHT OUT RESPONSE?
PRO-What people do with their life is not the government or anyone Else's business to dictate.

ARE YOU ON MEDICATION, DO YOU LIVE IN COLORADO AND HAVE JUST SMOKED A JOINT? IS IT DRUNK, YOU ARE?

WHO LEGALIZES CONDUCT IN SOCIETY ....McFly?
Government Right? Who Legalized Gay marriage? 2 years ago that has SENT SOCIETY into a massive LOSS of RIGHTS with regards to their Homes, Business, occupations etc ... for a single portion of and MERE 4% of the total populations rights?

Can you now understand my irritation that you appear oblivious to the SUBJECT in it's entirety ... ARE YOU Homosexual? That at EAST WOULD explain you stunned DEER Looking into the Headlights responses?


Some of your OTHER OBVIOUSLY STEEL TRAP READY WIT REMARKS!
PRO--Having gay marriage an option for people doesn't mean you have to use that right.
???????????????????????????????????????????W.H.A.A.A.A.T!
Are you in the DEATH ZONE of EVEREST?


PRO--With gay marriage more, orphans would be adopted.
To become WHAT? CONFUSED! not knowing what they are, and WHY? Their PARENTS can decide, THEY THINK their MORE THAN 2 GENDERS, and WHY? cause their listening to ..

PRO-The con side never responded to my claims for why gay marriage should be a right for people to have, so I will repeat them.

Yeah we SEE YOUR claims. You just have NO FACTS with which to HAVE CLAIMED in the first place. The evidence shows you never bothered to ACTUALLY research the topic at all basing any of it on SOUND SCIENTIFIC DOCTRINE.

Spouting nonsense about how disadvantageous it is NOT to transfer genetic traits ... all the while speaking of a subject where PROCREATION IS IMPOSSIBLE EXCEPT BY POLUTING BLASPHEMING SCIENCE!

There IS NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR 2 SAME SEX COUPLES TO PROCREATE IN NORMAL LIFE Homer, BUT that DOESN'T PROVE HOMOSEXUALITY/LESBIANISM ISN'T NORMAL GOES THE NEW GENERATION!

THEN this IS the BEST PART ... Gilligan spouts SCRIPTURES?????????

You want to spout scriptures? Romans 1
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.


Leviticus 18:22
'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.



Leviticus 20:13
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.


1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts,


Jude 1:7
In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire.




The Bible is to the Believers, 100% of it, merely 10% or less is for you, which is WHY you misinerpret it! Why then can you NOT FIND the scriptures of Matthew and Isaiah which CLEARLY STATE, the scriptures ARE NOT UNDERSTANDABLE TO YOU!




Matthew 13:10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” 11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.


“Though seeing, they do not see;though hearing, they do not hear or understand.14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears,and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears,understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’


Isaiah 6


Isaiah's Commission
8Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!" 9He said, "Go, and tell this people: 'Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.' 10"Render the hearts of this people insensitive, Their ears dull, And their eyes dim, Otherwise they might see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, And return and be healed."…


The Scriptures are for ME, and as we can all plainly see you appear to lie habitually, incapable of truth. Alas our Time together has come to an end. I have TRUTH, you? Opinion!


I gave you the opportunity to return WITH EVIDENCE FACT ... you come back with stupidity and drivel, that any REASONABLE person could plainly SEE was nonsense ... the disadvantage of not passing on genetic TRAITS indeed! WE ARE TAKING SAME SEX COUPLES THEY CANNOT PROCREATE! You don't KNOW THIS?


SIGH! Disappointing, Soooo Disappointing.


I've no more time to waste on Delusion and fantasy. Our time is at end, I'm afraid. I suggest you seek God and LEARN Scripture , as your in Danger of Hells falames every day you have NOT sought forgiveness for your sins. Seek me on VIMEO.COM under FollowerofChrist1955. Perhaps you can still be saved ... realizing of course that your only a breath away from hell, every day, and ARE GOING TO DIE IN YOUR SINS, if you do not seek Him before your demise! It IS up to you?


Fare well ... I will NOT BE accepting any further debates with you for OBVIOUS Reasons. You DON'T KNOW any TRUTH!



Debate Round No. 3
KJnonviolentresistance

Pro

The thing is debates are opinions! It is your beliefs and values and comparing them with others through claims that are backed up with evidence. I have answer both questions in a clear way and I have responded to your argument thoroughly. The only reason why I quoted the bible is so I could point out that modern society doesn't always stick to what the bible says if society did then the United States would still have slaves and very sexist social structure. Most of my agreements/claims are things that should be taken into consideration and not swiped off as moronic lies just because you don't want to face the truth that the world is changing, and people are not as closed minded anymore.

Gay marriage should be legalized because our civil rights and the Constitution give us many liberties. One of our civil liberties is the pursuit of happiness, which homosexual people are not allowed to chase. They cannot be married to the person they love and it violates their freedoms. Yes, gay marriage is legal on the federal level but the state and local level obstacles have been put in place or out rightly refused. People have continued to spread claims about how we are mental unstable and perverted, but it could not be further from the truth because we are just like you.

Others might ask why gay marriage should be legalized, but my question is this: why should other people be able to choose who marries who? If a man and a woman get married, no one seems to care. They are two people who feel affection for one another and those two people want to start a family. If we change the scenario a little bit and a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, try to get married it causes uproar. They are not allowed to be married or raise a family together.

Imagine waking up one day to a world that was completely opposite from the world we went to sleep in, meaning gay people are now straight and all straight people are now gay. Do you think the newly straight people would fight for the newly homosexual people's rights? America is the land of the free, but we are not free to marry whomever we would like. After everything straight people have put homosexual people through, in this scenario, homosexual people would most likely vote for their rights because they would want their rights to be voted for. We are equals in this world whether we are Black, White, Hispanic, Indian, Native American, Asian or any other race for that matter. Why should we not be equals based on sexual orientation?

The 1st amendment of the Constitution states that a person's religious beliefs or a lack of thereof must be protected. Legislatures also cannot discriminate against marriages of the minority party which, homosexual people fall into that category. There is also an amendment stating there is separation of church and state, so you cannot declare that a marriage is a gift from god.

In a marriage there is one thing that truly matters: love. Yes, other things are important too, but not one couple would make it to even asking someone to marry them if there was not some love. Las Vegas, Nevada is also known for being the place where many weddings occur which are annulled within one week. These marriages are not based off love, but simply a drunken night in Vegas. High divorce rates weaken what a marriage is defined as. Why are we not able to rewrite what a marriage stands for and make it include a homosexual marriage? The definition of love, according to dictionary.com is as follows: "Very strong affection: an intense feeling of tender affection and compassion." If gay people feel this way then why shouldn"t they be able to be married? If they are happy with each other, said persons should be able to marry.

Who would be affected if homosexual marriage was accepted and not discriminated against? No one. No one because the people holding these views aren't even remotely touched by these laws. It is just an option for people and that doesn't mean you need to take it. Homosexuals aren't forcing people to get married. They just want to be accepted like anyone wants to be accepted in their workplace, school, between their friends and their family. Everyone believes there is one person who is out there to love us. Gay people feel the same way. Parenthood is a benefit of marriage and gay couples cannot have children by themselves, without some type of help, so they look to adoption agencies. In some cases gay couples are put on longer waiting lists or denied completely. There are other benefits to being married as well, such as tax breaks. On the website professorshouse.com it reads, "When we hit our mid-thirties, we wanted only true friendships- friendships that were durable." This is a perfect example of matrimony and what it should be based on: companionship. According to dictionary.com a marriage is, "The legal or religious ceremony that formalizes the decision of two people to live as a married couple, including the accompanying social festivities." If this is a marriage why are gay people not included in this?

Even though gay marriage should be legalized, some people have different beliefs. In most religions including, Christianity, Islam, and Orthodox Judaism same sex preferences are a sin. People believe in procreation to repopulate the world, but are against gay marriage and homosexuals adopting children because they cannot procreate on their own. If this is a stand point on making or breaking gay marriage then only people who are fertile and want to procreate should be able to get married according to this bias. A major portion of the American population believes gay marriage will weaken its institution by leading to high divorce rates, but as previously stated by the opposition we make about 4% of the population but of course that number isn't exactly accurate because those are just the people that are out if that is the percentage at all. The divorce rate has been on the rise even before gay marriage was legalized. Others are fearful for children's futures and they fear being raised by two fathers or by two mothers may compromise children's mental capacities. What about their mental health when they have been abandon by their two heterosexual parents? Are we sayings that our children deserve to stay in a system believing no one will love them, and they will never have a family?

Even though a lot of people think gay marriage should be illegal or it is immoral, I believe we need to change the world for future generations. We are your neighbors, your friends, your community, your classmates, and we are human. We need to understand and accept we all have differences, and understand that our differences don't make you superior and others inferior. If it is possible to overcome such fierce obstacles then we can overcome the boundary of sexual orientation. In the end, we are made of the same flesh, and we bleed the same color: red.
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Debate Round No. 5
19 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by WOLF.J 2 years ago
WOLF.J
yep
scared
like
a
baby
Posted by WOLF.J 2 years ago
WOLF.J
I think we finally scared him off lads!
Posted by WOLF.J 2 years ago
WOLF.J
Noo you wrong, soooo wrong.

Anyways LISTEN, if an angel can turn in to a fvcking serpent, then monkeys can evolve into homosapiens. Thats Evil-ution for you mate. Now i bet Youre wandering What On Earth does this have to do LGBT. You're prob thinking this fool is just rambling. WELL know you know I felt when u started talking about LGBT in our Christianity conversation. See like me, your prone to outbursts of anger. WHY?

BECAUSE YOU, ARE A MAN, n that means you will burn in hell along with all the perverts, prostitutes, n pandas. THATS RIGHT, MWAHAHAHA

Anyways ON TOPIC, i know you correlate homosexuality to paedophilia, but its different bc homosexuality is consensual. FURTHERMORE did u know homophobia is a sign of sexual uncertainty within you, so u know watch yoself brother.
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 2 years ago
FollowerofChrist1955
Yes you Are wrong, animals HAVE no control, humans DO. which is WHY we despite what humanity WANTS to claim, are NOT ANIMALS. No more than Atheists are unbelievers!
Posted by WOLF.J 2 years ago
WOLF.J
chimps have social skills n cats are manipulative mofos. ANYWAYS, ON TOPIC, you wanna talk about stimuli, when you see something you like, you get erect/aroused, and for some people gender does not get in the way of that chemical reaction. AM I WRONG THO? NOPE!
Posted by WOLF.J 2 years ago
WOLF.J
humans are animals as well don't forget
Posted by WOLF.J 2 years ago
WOLF.J
smart
Posted by WOLF.J 2 years ago
WOLF.J
dolphins for example are very sm
Posted by WOLF.J 2 years ago
WOLF.J
don't think you can speak on an animals behalf mate, after all how do you know they are really thinking!?! . Heyyy
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 2 years ago
FollowerofChrist1955
WOLF.J;
NOPE, your stll wrong! DID YOU hold your Breath? You didn't did you. Then don't deny what you haven't proven. YOUR MIND, doesn't control you ... YOU DO.

But lets give an example of those who ARE lead by the mind TOTALLY! ANIMALS!
ALL INSTINCT, NO THOUGHT WHATSOEVER! They respond to STIMULI ALONE! Humans DO NOT!
you can pretend to argue but YOU already NO your wrong. Humans consider, debate, ponder, assume, presume .... animals don't do any of that. they learn by repetition.

don't argue for arguments sake ... don't state what you cannot prove. The possible arguments are endless as they are pointless. The quickest way to get ignored by me is to argue nonsensce. If it doesn't challenge the intellect, don't post it!
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