Is the Earth flat?
| Voting Style: | Open | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
| Started: | 12/2/2017 | Category: | Science | ||
| Updated: | 2 years ago | Status: | Post Voting Period | ||
| Viewed: | 2,758 times | Debate No: | 105468 | ||
 Con I'd like to request a couple favors of SilverishGoldNova, as I decided to start this debate upon reading the forum thread in the science section: 1. Please do not state that "Since I have not rebutted your arguments, x y and z." You seem to define rebuttal as "Convincing the other person you are right," and that is difficult even when your arguments make perfect sense. Thanks. I will be arguing the side of Con, or "The Earth is not flat." If SilverGoldNova accepts this debate, he agrees that he will be arguing the side of "The Earth is flat." Format of the argument will go as follows: Round 1: Con intro Round 2: Pro intro Round 3: Con arguments Round 4: Pro arguments Round 5: Con rebuttal Round 6: Pro rebuttal Round 7: Con conclusion Round 8: Pro conclusion I just realized I said I'd like to request a couple favors. I actually just want to request one favor. When I say I expect responsibilty and stuff, I do not actually expect that; I just hope for it.  Pro |
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Con 1. Planes and Boats.
Planes and boats have proven to be able to travel from California to Asia (http://bit.ly...) and from New York to Europe (http://bit.ly...). Assuming that the edges of the world would be in either the Pacific or the Atlantic Oceans or else it would have been discovered easily, the fact that planes can fly over the "edges of the world" and still make it to their destination safely disproves the Earth is Flat theory. 2. Satellite Imagery When the Earth is photographed from space with a satellite (for example, the Suomi NPP Satellite), it admittedly shows a seemingly 2-dimensional picture of Earth. However, satellites have taken multiple pictures of Earth from different angles, and all of them are round. A picture taken above Africa is round (http://bit.ly...). A picture taken above Australia is round (http://bit.ly...). A picture taken above the Americas is round (http://bit.ly...). A picture taken above the North Pole is round (http://bit.ly...). Since all these pictures are round, that proves that the Earth is round. While you could argue that these photos are faked, I see no reason as to why NASA would go through the effort to pretend the Earth is flat. 3. Shadows and Sticks This experiment is admittedly stolen completely from Aristotle, but it does prove the theory that Earth is curved.
These are my arguments. Pro I've been using the same set of arguments for a while and I am yet to see any rebuttal. I figured I'd just copy and paste them from the forums. http://archive.is... http://archive.is... http://archive.is... VIdeos:- NASA- |
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Con 1. Blue Marble Video Rebuttal First of all, is there any real reason why NASA would create a bunch of pictures of a round Earth for little to no reason? Second, since the Earth is round, the countries mentioned in the video would not be shown from this perspective. As the map showed, it was early in the morning in Australia, and if you look closely, you can see Europe at the top of the map. Also, try out this experiment I came up with and tested out:
You'll see that the 90 degree away from the flashlight vantage point view shows that the light is touching it a little. When light is shined on even a perfect sphere, it covers more than 50% of the sphere. 2. Chicago Skyline Video Rebuttal This phenomenon is generally attributed to atmospheric refraction, as shown in the comments of the video. 3. Moon Landing Video I am not sure why this video was posted as one of your arguments. Disproving the existence of the moon landings does not prove that Earth is not flat. If it was an error, then I will ignore it. However, if it is to prove that NASA is not reliable, then again, why would NASA create a bunch of pictures of a fake moon landing? Does this mean the Russians are in on it too, despite hostile relations with the US for at least 80 years? Pro I'd like to point out that my opponent has ignored the majority of my arguments. I am not sure if they were unable to refute them or didn't have time, but I will allow them another opportunity in the next round. Planes and Boats: 1. Boats 2. Flights to Asia: I would like for my opponent to demonstrate why it would be impossible to fly from california to asia on a flat Earth. NASA/Satelite Imagery: My opponent starts off by questioning why NASA would deceive us all. That's easy, they make millions of dollars off of their deception. NASA has admitted to faking images before, thought they are afraid to admit to faking the blue marble and the moon landings. I've shown this already. I'd like to point my opponent dismissed the moon landings as a "crazy conspiracy theory", rather than address it. Shadows and Sticks: I believe my opponent is talking about the Eratosthenes experiment. http://debateisland.com... |
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Con I'm sorry I took so long to respond; I was cramming for finals. First, to summarize my points: 1. Planes can fly from California to Asia and can fly from New York to Europe. This is verifiable by getting in a plane and going there. There are tons of customer reports about it. The video you showed me... I don't actually know what that's supposed to prove. Also, it was made by someone at home with a camera with a good zoom capability. If that is proof of a flat Earth somehow, I say that it is an unreliable source because it is some random guy with a camera who zooms in on stuff. 2. While the Blue Marble may be a fake, your argument as to the truth that was released to the public was taken from Wikipedia, which any debater knows is an unreliable source on account of being editable by anybody and everybody. Besides, the photos taken from high Earth orbit are not fake. I did a thourough checking with timeanddate.com like you suggested and found that the times match up perfectly. 3... I can't really counter that. Good job Pro! Thank you for debating this topic with me, and good luck. Pro Good debate anyway, and best of wishes to you all! |
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If you make an assertion, it can be dismissed if you can't support it.
You make an assertion by posting the link, so it can be dismissed because you can't support it, because you're not debating. So, I put up a link to dismiss your link.
Are you still clueless?
Now, if you were actually going to produce an argument and actually debate it, that would be a different story altogether.
If we're gonna go with your logic then were you debating when you C/P'd that article about Eric Dubay's book?
Dude, look at Round 2, here's what YOU said:
I've been using the same set of arguments for a while and I am yet to see any rebuttal. I figured I'd just copy and paste them from the forums.