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Is there such thing as freedom?

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Started: 4/17/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 14 years ago Status: Voting Period
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0pen2see

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Is there a place on earth where I can build a shelter on a piece of land & grow my own vegetables. Raise my own livestock & live in peace without religion, war or polotics interfearing?
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Geekis_Khan

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I'm going to assume that you're arguing that there is no such place, since you asked it as a question.

I answer: Yes. Antarctica.

There is peace.

There is no war.

There are no people there (except for a few scientists, and you can live on the other side), so there is no religion or politics.

You can build a shelter there.

You can raise livestock, depending on what that livestock is. I think you could sustain yourself off of the penguins or the fish that live near the continent.

You can bring potted vegetables.

Antarctica gives you freedom.
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0pen2see

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The Antarctic is too cold to live, livestock would have nothing to eat & in the 3 months of darkness during winter any growing vegitation would die.
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Geekis_Khan

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You didn't say it had to be comfortable, therefore your coldness argument doesn't work. Furthermore, it's completely possible to live in the cold like that. Scientists are down there right now living in that cold. Don't get angry just because it's cold. Freedom has its price.

You never defined livestock. Livestock is traditionally any animal bred and raised in groups for the purpose of sustaining a human (or selling the meat to sustain other humans). There are penguins that you could use for this purpose. There are fish that you could use for this purpose. You can have livestock.

As far as vegitation goes, I'm sure there's some plant that can survive in extremely cold weather. If it can't, you could erect a heated shelter in which you could grow those potted plants without fear of them dying due to the cold.

Antartica is your solution.
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0pen2see

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So you are seriously saying the only place on earth where the type of freedom I am looking for is Antarctica. I thought Penguins were a protected species. Using greenhouses to grow plants would need light & 3 months of darkness in winter kills that idea.

Scientists live on Antarctica with budgets of millions & have frequent deliveries of supplies to sustain their existance. To live on Antarctica would also need permission from the government which claimed rights to the land, which involves polotics.

To live on Antarctica would also involve religion as you would need a god to keep you alive in the minus 40 degree temperatures.
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Geekis_Khan

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Even if penguins are protect, you can live off of fish.

You don't need natural light for green houses. You can use electric light from a generator. It's just like growing pot in your closet

Of course it will cost a lot. But it was never a burden for me to prove that it would be cheap.

You're rebuttal to the religion argument does not actually flow thourgh. There's no reason why an Atheist can't survive in the cold.

And there is no government in Antartica. Several nations have made claims to some territories, however Antartica belongs to no country. You can live without politics. And even if the claims of those countries are recognized, there is still unclaimed territory on which you could live.

Sure, it will be hard. Sure, it will be expensive.

But it was never a bruden for me to disprove all of that.
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Posted by XEMO 14 years ago
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Here is an awesome looking place, though there is politics and religion, it seems to be a place in the center of modern society that has managed to remain untouched to some degree- http://en.wikipedia.org...
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Posted by 0pen2see 14 years ago
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I am saying there is no such thing as freedom on earth from polotics, war or religion. If you want to live a life of peace on a plot of land where you can build your own shelter, grow your own vegetables & raise livestock.
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Posted by SportsGuru 14 years ago
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Are you advocating that there is freedom or that there is not freedom?
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