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Started: 6/23/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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thetruthwillout

Pro

Okay sir, you can start the argument this time :)
Topaet

Con

In this debate, I will be arguing that Islam and Islamic culture are immoral while my opponent will be arguing that they are moral.

Immoral = Evil/violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics (e.g. human rights).
Islamic culture = The cultural practices common to historically Islamic people.

I will start this debate with four examples why Islam/Islamic culture are immoral.

1. Islam is against religious freedom:
[1]: According to the hadiths, apostates are to be punished by death: Sahih al-Bukhari 56:226, [2] Sunan Ibn Majah 20:2632, [3] Sahih al-Bukhari 88:5.
[4]: A recent study by the Pew Research Center has revealed that about 40% of Muslims in Muslim-majority countries support the death penalty for apostasy.
[5] According to the Qur'an, apostates will be greatly punished: Quran 9:66, [6] Quran 16: 106, [7] Quran 4:89.

2. Islamic culture supports Islamic terror:
[8] A recent study by the Pew Research Center has revealed that about 28% of the Muslim world population believe that suicide bombings are occasionally, sometimes, or often justified.
[9] A recent study by NOP Research has revealed that about 25% of British Muslims have affirmed that the 7/7 attacks were justified.
[10] A recent study by the Pew Research Center has revealed that 35% of French Muslims, 24% of British Muslims, 13% of German Muslims, 25% of Spanish Muslims and 71% of Nigerian Muslims believe that suicide bombings against civilian targets are often, sometimes or rarely justified in order to "defend Islam from its enemies."
[11] According to a recent study about 42% of Turkish Muslims believe that Muslims were the true victims of the Charlie Hebdo attack, and 20% remarked that the Charlie Hebdo employees had deserved death for depicting Muhammad.

3. Islamic culture is sexist and most Muslims are sexist:
[12] A recent study by the Pew Research Center has revealed that about 86% of Muslims in Muslim-majority countries believe that women must always obey their husbands.
[12] A recent study by the Pew Research Center has revealed that about 27% of Muslims in Muslim-majority countries believe that women should not be allowed to decide whether they want to wear the veil or not.
[13] Islamic countries have the worst women's rights on earth (Yemen is ranked 144 of 144, Pakistan 143, Syria 142, Saudi Arabia 141, Iran 139, Egypt 132, Turkey 130, United Arab Emirates 124).

4. Islam is homophobic and a large majority of Muslims are homophobic:
[14] According to the Qur'an, homosexuality is to be punished by death: Quran 7:80-84 and [15] 6:165-66.
[16] The only countries where there is still the death penalty for homosexuality are Islamic countries.
[17] According to Sharia, homosexuality is to be punished by death.
[18] According to the hadiths, homosexuality is to be punished by death: Abu Dawud 40:112, [19] Sunan Ibn Majah 20:2658.
[20] A recent study by the Pew Research Center has revealed that about 89% of Muslims in Muslim-majority countries believe that homosexuality is immoral.

In conclusion, Islam/Islamic culture are immoral as they are "not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics (e.g. human rights)" and more specifically because they are opposed to religious freedom because they threaten apostates with death and thus neither respect the right to life nor the right to freedom of religion which are generally considered to be moral. Additionally, Islamic culture is immoral as a large minorty is supporting Islamic terror which goes against the right to freedom from fear. Furthermore, Islamic culture is sexist (e.g. because most Muslims believe that women must always obey their husbands.) And Islam is also immoral as it declares the death penalty for homosexuality. [21]
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Sources:
[1]: https://sunnah.com...
[2]: https://sunnah.com...
[3]: https://sunnah.com...
[4]: http://www.pewforum.org...
[5]: https://quran.com...
[6]: https://quran.com...
[7]: https://quran.com...
[8]: http://www.pewforum.org...
[9]: http://www.cbsnews.com...
[10]: http://pewresearch.org...
[11]: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk...
[12]: http://www.pewforum.org...
[13]: http://reports.weforum.org...
[14]: https://quran.com...
[15]: https://quran.com...
[16]: http://old.ilga.org...
[17]: https://en.wikipedia.org...
[18]: https://sunnah.com...
[19]: https://sunnah.com...
[20]: http://www.pewforum.org...
[21]: http://www.un.org...


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Posted by thetruthwillout 3 years ago
thetruthwillout
@Topeat I understand :) I apologize for the videos, I will explain the content. Unfortunately recently I've been very busy and I cannot start a new debate rn. But in a few weeks time we can. x
Posted by Topaet 3 years ago
Topaet
We can definitely restart this debate, I'd say you just challenge me again, I accept again and both of us post exactly the same round 1 as in this debate.

However, I would like to ask that you do not just spam hours of video content in the debate or link to external sources but explain the content of the videos and your external sources yourself and then explain how they contradict my claims. I unfortunately cannot accept youtube videos in a debate as one can simply claim that the video was not addressed properly and I don't necessarily have enough time to go through several hours of video content

I'm looking forward to restarting this debate with you.
Posted by thetruthwillout 3 years ago
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Posted by thetruthwillout 3 years ago
thetruthwillout
The hadiths you have taken are either not even true, largely misinterpreted, or taken completely out of context. Many ppl who r anti-Islam do this to make Islam look bad. Herein I will provide you with a few links which might better help you understand Islam:

http://www.islam101.com...

https://islamqa.info...
Posted by thetruthwillout 3 years ago
thetruthwillout
Dear Topeat,
From what I have read, and comparing it to what I know of my religion and what I practice, I see a large discrepancy. What you seem to know about Islam is only what you've been told by people who are already anti-Islam, and not taken from an objective POV. I will repost points from my previous debate as I have already mentioned what Islam really is.
Islam is a religion of love. God is Love. There is only One God, he has no sons, no daughters, no children at all. He was not begotten by anyone nor does He beget. What's so strange and evil about believing in One God ??? God sent down all the prophets. We accept Jesus, as a prophet, and admire him. We accept Moses, Abraham, Adam and Muhammed, the final prophet. We accept that God sent each prophet with a religion, we accept that Judaism and Christianity were preached, but we believe that once the respective prophets died the people changed the books to their own liking. That is why we now follow Islam, the final religion sent by the final prophet. We preach peace, justice, equality. The very call to prayer was given first by an African man named Bilal. The women of Islam are honoured. In the days before Islam,women had no rights, they were abused. Islam brought with it the respect and equality of women. The non muslims would kill their daughters as they only wanted sons. Islam forbade this injustice. Islam welcomes people of all colour, all kind. After all , God created all of us. Now I will tell you what Islam is NOT. Islam is NOT extremism. Islam is NOT ISIS. Islam is NOT so called religgious groups who go out killing non-muslims, raping and pilaging. These groups do NOT represent Islam, yet they say the things they are doing is in the name of Islam. However, we true Muslims know that these people are definitely not Muslims. We do not accept them as Muslims. Islam is NOT violence, it is not killing innocent people. These groups will soon face the One Lord and answer for all the wrongs they have caused.
Posted by thetruthwillout 3 years ago
thetruthwillout
@Topeat nevermind I will just reply here
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