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Xantog
Pro (for)
The Contender
Masterful
Con (against)

Jesus' Love Is Infinite and God Is Just In Sending People To Hell

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Started: 3/16/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Xantog

Pro

First round is for acceptance.
Rules: No Ad-hominem
Original quote from the comment: "How infinite can Jesus' love be if, for those who reject him as being their savior, he consigns them to an everlasting hell?"

I'll be arguing How God Is just in this and how Jesus' love is infinite.
Masterful

Con

Is infinity even possible?
We don't currently have any examples of physical infinity, as we understand it infinity is impossible. Yet here you are, claiming a man has a love so great that it's infinite.
This man loves serial killers, child molesters, terrorists and cannibals. Clearly this man is delusional, mentally unstable and incapable of moral thought.

That love would be meaningless
Some people are deserving of love, some are not. When you decide to love those who do not deserve it, then you're diluting the meaning of your love.

How could you ever prove how much love an individual had 1000s of years ago?
There isn't actually any method that would allow you to know or prove the amount of love someone had 1000s of years ago. A book of an account isn't testable, therefore you can't verify the legitimacy of the claims it makes. To trust an ancient books fantasy-like claims, is to do a great discredit to one's own intelligence.

If you're willing to believe claims, rather than to rationalise, then why should we read what you have to say?




Debate Round No. 1
Xantog

Pro

"Is infinity even possible?
We don't currently have any examples of physical infinity, as we understand it infinity is impossible. Yet here you are, claiming a man has a love so great that it's infinite.
This man loves serial killers, child molesters, terrorists and cannibals. Clearly this man is delusional, mentally unstable and incapable of moral thought."

Example of physical infinity: The universe as we know is is infinite, we cant prove it is finite. It is infinitely expanding. The singularity in a black hole is a one-dimensional point which contains a huge mass in an infinitely small space, where density and gravity become infinite and space-time curves infinitely, and where the laws of physics as we know them cease to operate. https://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com...

On God loving serial killers and the like, it is a fatherly love, one of a parent, but infinite...He does punish those who commit atrocities to hell. revelation 21:8; 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars"they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

"That love would be meaningless
Some people are deserving of love, some are not. When you decide to love those who do not deserve it, then you're diluting the meaning of your love."

Who are you to decide who deserves love or not? This is the fallacy of atheism, the presumption to be a moral arbiter. To God, all are deserving of love, and all are deserving of justice. Hebrews 10:30; 30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people."
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

"How could you ever prove how much love an individual had 1000s of years ago?"
According to the bible Jesus is apart of God
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me."15
John 5:17,18 - "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

If God is infinite, then Jesus' love is infinite too. I gave you physical examples of infinite, even though love isn't physical...
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Posted by Masterful 3 years ago
Masterful
I will address your points though.

The universe is not infinite as we know it is currently expanding.
The mass of a black hole can't exist in an infinitely small space, because an infinitely small space would be the exact same as no space. Something can't exist in the absence of space.

You're arguing that God loves people regardless of what they do. God creates people with free will, yet he knows exactly how their life will pan out and that they will be born to commit sins and in turn be damned to the torture of hell, despite this he creates them anyway. This means God is creating flawed life simply to suffer in a torturous way. Is that not immoral?

You then claim i'm not able to understand Gods love and morals. I do. The God of the Bible is evil. Why can't we blame God? Why does God have to be perfect?

Lastly, did you know that Bible quotes are not proof? Ancient text can never be evidence for such an extraordinary claim of a God, we need extraordinary evidence.
Posted by Masterful 3 years ago
Masterful
I couldn't respond because I went on holiday for 2 weeks.
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