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Judaism v. Christianity

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Started: 3/5/2019 Category: Religion
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Pro

Thank you, Christfollower, For accepting this debate.

RESOLUTION

Judaism vs. Christianity: Which is the true religion?

Rounds:

1. Acceptance only
2. Opening arguments
3. Clash
4. Closing arguments/clash

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The burden of proof is shared. It is incumbent on me to show that Judaism is true, And it is incumbent on my opponent to show that Christianity is true. It is thus not enough to simply refute my arguments. My opponent must also erect his own case against the probability of God's existence.
Christfollower

Con

I accept.

The essential difference between Jews and Christians is that Christians accept Jesus as Messiah and personal savior. Jesus is not part of Jewish theology. Amongst Jews Jesus is not considered a divine being. Therefore all holidays which have a connection to the life of Jesus are not part of Jewish life and/or practice (Christmas, Easter, Lent, Advent, Palm Sunday, Etc. ).
Is this a correct representation of the difference?

I am ready for this debate, However, I am new to debating in a formal setting, So please extend grace when I make mistakes.
Debate Round No. 1
Christfollower

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Christfollower forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Christfollower

Con

I believe Christianity is true because there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus exists.
Debate Round No. 3
Christfollower

Con

Since this is the last round, I will just state 1 point. I don't have enough characters for two points.
~Trusting Quality Sources ~
Can we trust the multitude of old writings that contain information about Jesus?

Definitely. It is critical, However, To evaluate the quality of any source that mentions Jesus; not every ancient mention of Jesus aids an investigation into whether He really lived.

The "lost gospels, " for example, Offer a version of Jesus that totally differs from the four biblical Gospels, Which is why they remain excluded from the Bible. Gnostic in nature, These 2nd or 3rd century texts suggest that Jesus came with a secret message of "inner knowing" for a select few. Wrong. Jesus" message is open to everyone. Most scholars do not view these texts as credible sources on Jesus.

In contrast, Leading New Testament scholar Richard Bauckham presents the Gospels as eyewitness testimony, Pointing to the short distance between their writing and the people who would have seen Jesus in person:

"The Gospels were written within living memory of the events they recount. Mark"s Gospel was written well within the lifetime of many of the eyewitnesses, While the other three canonical Gospels were written in the period when living eyewitnesses were becoming scarce, Exactly at the point in time when their testimony would perish with them were it not put in writing. "

What about Christian sources such as Paul or the authors of the General Epistles (letters) included in the Bible? What about the writings of 1st- and 2nd-century Christian leaders such as Ignatius and Clement of Rome? Or must we exclude them because they are pro-Christ?

That"s akin to asking experts not to have an opinion on a topic they know well! Are the writings of highly esteemed Roman historians Tacitus and Josephus quality resources? What about facts discovered during archeological digs? Do they support the case for a historical Jesus?

Ehrman, Who is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, Routinely lectures on the validity of Jesus the historical figure. He has authored numerous books on the topic. Though he rejects the divinity of Christ, He is fully convinced that Jesus did live and was crucified. "Did Jesus exist is a historical detective story, " he says. "I invite you to look at the hard, Cold facts and judge for yourself. "

Space constraints prevent us from having an in-depth examination of these facts. For that you might read one of Ehrman"s books. But we can cover some of the highlights. Let"s get to it!

~Roman Historians Tacitus and Josephus ~
Flavius Josephus was a Jewish politician, Soldier, And historian who lived around AD 37-100. He was born in Jerusalem shortly after Christ"s crucifixion. As his father, Matthias, Was a highly respected priest, Josephus was born into a family that would have been acutely aware of the early Jesus followers, A movement that would have been viewed as a threat to Judaism. He may have even heard some of the apostles preach in prison.

Scholars view Josephus as the single most important Jewish historian of the ancient world. Among his works, Josephus penned Antiquities of the Jews, To explain the Jewish people and their beliefs to the Romans, In an effort to reduce anti-Jewish bigotry. Antiquities is important in our investigation of the historicity of Jesus.

In Antiquities 20. 200, For example, Josephus writes about the death of James, At the instigation of the Jewish high priest Ananus. Josephus clearly labels James the brother of Jesus "who was called Christ. " By including these details, He offers us a clear, Non-Christian attestation of the historicity of Jesus.

Cornelius Tacitus, Another important Roman historian, Lived approximately between AD 56 and 120. Modern historians view his Annals (which covers Roman emperors Augustus to Nero) to be the best source of information about this period in Roman history.

It is from Tacitus, For example, That we know that Nero blamed a devastating fire that happened in Rome in AD 64 on Christians. Wrote Tacitus: "Therefore, To squelch the rumor, Nero created scapegoats and subjected to the most refined tortures those whom the common people call "Christians, " hated for their abominable crimes. Their name comes from Christ, Who, During the reign of Tiberius, Had been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate. "

Though scholars do not know where Tacitus obtained the information he used in Annals, They know he had access to the Acta Senatus, The Roman Senate"s archives of its activities. Those Roman records could have contained reports of Jesus" crucifixion, And he could have retrieved the details from there. Or he could have learned the facts while he was proconsul in Asia.

Tacitus" writing confirm the New Testament accounts that Tiberius and Pilate were in power when Jesus was crucified. Tacitus also points to the continued growth of Christianity in the years shortly after Jesus died, As reported in the New Testament book of Acts. His report clearly demonstrates the remarkable resolve of Jesus" earliest followers, And the growth of the movement Jesus founded. It is because Tacitus is held in such high esteem by modern historians that his Annals carry such weight.

Professor Casey Elledge of Gustavus Adophus College holds this view of early non-Christian sources, Including Tacitus, Josephus, And Seutonius:

"The testimonies of ancient historians offer strong evidence against a purely mythical reading of Jesus. In contrast to those who have denied the historical evidence of Jesus altogether, Judging him merely to have been a mythological construct of early Christian thought, The testimonies of the ancient historians reveal how even those outside the early church regarded Jesus to have been a historical person. It remains difficult, Therefore, If not impossible, To deny the historical existence of Jesus when the earliest Christians, Jewish and pagan evidence mention him. "
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by 21stCenturyIconoclast 3 years ago
21stCenturyIconoclast
GENERAL GRANT REVEALING QUOTE" "Christianity was started by Jews and Jesus "

Duh! To be biblically correct in being a true Christian (which does not exist), You have to be a Jew, Period! The serial killer Jew Yahweh god of the primitive Christian faith, Is for the JEWS ONLY as the Bible specifically states.

Rarely do you find the inept pseudo-christian telling us what sect of the Jewish faith they follow in the 21st century. This is because they insidiously want their bible their way, And not brutal serial killer Yahweh's way.
Posted by GeneralGrant 3 years ago
GeneralGrant
Thanks to the Jews, We can go to heaven to be with God. Christianity was started by Jews and Jesus fulfilled all the Old Testament prophecies of the Old Testament.
Posted by killshot 3 years ago
killshot
Further extending @21

The Jewish mythology isn't an original concept either. Most of it's rituals and messianic concepts are borrowed or influenced from neighboring religions and pagan traditions. For example, Zoroastrianism had a heavy influence on 2nd temple Judaism, Where many Persian religious ideas first made appearances in Judaic doctrine. Later, As 21st mentioned, These doctrines branched off into the other Abrahamic religions. In the end, None of these religions are unique or special, They are just adaptations of ancient ignorance.
Posted by 21stCenturyIconoclast 3 years ago
21stCenturyIconoclast
Both Judaism and Christianity, Along with Islam, Are pagan and primitive religions of the Bronze and Iron Age, Where they should have been left in these ages of our time so as not to have racism, Killings, Tortures, Etc. , And the inept that follow these pagan beliefs, Initiating their doctrine upon others today.

With that being said, If one has to swallow a primitive belief, Then Judaism in the TRUE religion over Christianity, Because the Bronze Age Hebrew God named Yahweh in the Tanakh, And the Christian Old Testament, IS FOR JEWS ONLY!

The pseudo-christians stole Yahweh from the Jewish faith in their New Testament to comically make the mythical Jesus either the son of Yahweh, Or Yahweh incarnate, Whereas they have embarrassingly paying for it ever since.
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