Liberalism is smarter, more efficient and more unfair than socialism.
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Started: | 3/27/2008 | Category: | Politics | ||
Updated: | 14 years ago | Status: | Voting Period | ||
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Under a classic socialist government, citizens provide the man power while the government owns and maintains the land, factories, office buildings, equipment and businesses required to generate economic production. Yes, a socialist government does what it wants with the profits resulting from such production, but it also assumes all the risks, costs, burdens and responsibilities of business ownership.
Liberalism, on the other hand, advocates a far more efficient (albeit more unfair) way to make money for government consumption. More simply, liberalism advocates taking whatever percentage of profit it sees fit from individuals and businesses while leaving all the headaches of business ownership to them. Unlike individuals and businesses under socialism, those ruled by liberalism would be responsible for acquiring, managing and maintaining their own capital, factories, employees, equipment, and office buildings. It is fascinating to me that liberalism has managed to come up with a way to receive all the benefits of business ownership with none of the burdens, risk or responsibility. If a business venture fails under liberalism, it has cost the government nothing because government had nothing invested. Yet if a business succeeds, the government is there with its hand out (and a gun in the other) to take its "fair share." Is it unfair to make a profit without enduring the cost, risk and effort required to do so? I'd say no. But isn't it smart in comparison to what those silly socialists had in mind? Gear forfeited this round. |
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Okay, well I'll try to repost this later. 100 characters sure seems like a lot of work at this point. If anyone wants to take this debate, let me know in the comment section and I can challenge you directly. Thank you.
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Okay, well I'll try to repost this later. 100 characters sure seems like a lot of work at this point. If anyone wants to take this debate, let me know in the comment section and I can challenge you directly. Thank you.
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Well said-- all of it.
As Churchill said,
"Many forms of Government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
I don't think that anything the people decide is automatically fair. It is 'just' if we define justice legally. Of course you assume that taxes are taken only from the wealthy, and not everyone. You also assume that no wealthy program ever votes for progressive taxes or social programs.
The question becomes, fair or just to whom? You find socialism unfair, your neighbor may find capitalism unfair. We have limits in the constitution, but they don't provide guidance on social services.
I don't use minarchism or populism as a rubric, myself. Another conflict over what should be done with public money. I see whether this program will benefit everyone and if it will do so without encouraging abuse. Welfare, despite it's noble intent, is creating poverty. Publicly funded, not necessarily publicly ran, primary education is not enforcing laziness and helps everyone. Unemployment insurance is a short term stop gap to help people return to the job market. Programs that help the population without disincentives to work.
There is much that charity could take over and that leads to abuse from both the government and people. However I don't think of government as an ultimate evil, but a dangerous tool. Obviously you will not agree with me and I will not agree with you. Mm neighbor may think us both fools and his neighbor think we all three have our head's on wrong. In the end it is public money and is up to the public to use for good or ill. What stops the possible march to socialism? People like me and you drawing a line, even if we don't all draw it at the same point.
Is this perfect? Is my system free of flaws? Is yours? Of course not, utopia is an impossibility.
You know my stance on fair taxation-- the minimum needed to take care of the minimum required, regardless of what it amounts to. Any tax beyond that is unfair in my eyes. But necessary taxation(for only services that are absolutely necessary) is not unjust nor unfair. The unfairness occurs when the majority continues to change its idea of what is "necessary" with each generation. Do you suppose this definition of necessary will ever stop growing? Do you any reason why the majority won't want the minority (the wealthy) to pay for their food, clothing, housing, healthcare, college, transportation, etc.? You will be the firt to say that whatever tax the majority decides to impose is by definition "fair," because you somehow think the wealthy imposed this tax willingly on themselves. So is there anything to stop them?