Lil Wayne is currently the best rapper
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| Started: | 3/15/2008 | Category: | Entertainment | ||
| Updated: | 14 years ago | Status: | Voting Period | ||
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 Pro He's also one of the most prolific rappers of today. A testament to this is an article by Vibe title "The 77 Best Lil Wayne Songs Of 2007". http://www.vibe.com... Since his debut solo album in 1999 (The Block Is Hot), he has had four more solo albums, with the much anticipated "The Carter III" set to be released this May. He's been on numerous mixtapes(most notably "Dedication 2" and "The Drought 3") and appeared on countless singles with artists ranging from Chris Brown and Wyclef Jean to Fat Joe and Playaz Circle. He even did songs with Enrique Iglesias and Robin Thicke. His singles aren'nt even his best work. I think unheard of songs like "Nigga Wit Money" and "Zoo" featuring Mack Maine are some of his hottest tracks. I'm sure there are many obscure rappers out there who can match Weezy on flow and metaphors but he is the most charismatic and successful rapper out there right now. I challenge anyone to name an active rapper alive today who can best Lil Wayne on all points.  Con Unfortunately, I'm sorry, but I can't do that. However, I will definitely argue that Eminem, 50 Cent or maybe even Papoose are better rappers than Lil' Wayne. So here are some reasons as to why both 50 Cent and Eminem are better rappers than Lil' Wayne. 1) Both 50 Cent and Eminem sold way more albums than Lil' Wayne. All four of Eminem's albums were No. 1 in sales in America. Eminem's last album sold 441,000 units in its first week, while in the same week, Lil' Wayne sold 240,000. While some people say that sales don't matter, I believe there's no better way to compare rappers than to see which sold the most. 2) The link you provided showed that more than 25% of Lil Wayne's best songs are in records in which he only has one verse. Furthermore, his top song is"We're takin' over". No doubt that that's a successful record, but Lil Wayne has a 35 second verse in a 5 minute record. And "We the Best" by Dj Khaled, the album that carried the "We're takin' over" record, sold only 79,000 copies in its first week. Meanwhile, 50 Cent's hottest song(s) include, "Many Men", "In Da Club", "I Get Money", "Candy Shop", "Amusement Park", and many more. All of these songs were written by him and only him, and he raps throughout the WHOLE song. 50 Cent's first album sold 8 MILLION copies in the U.S. alone. Finally, Eminem's singles are also sung by only him, and his record sales more than double Lil Wayne's. Eminem sold 1,760,049 copies in his first week of his first album alone. This only explains that Lil' Wayne is dependent on other rappers to make hits, and even those hits are far from Eminem's or 50 Cent's hits. < Try comparing that to Dr. Dre, known for working with Tupac's best records. Unless you think Lil' Wayne is better than Tupac, then we can discuss that too. <> 50 Cent worked with Justin Timberlake, Robin Thicke, Busta Rhymes, the whole G-unit, Nas, Papoose, Lil' Kim, Akon, Eminem, etc... Eminem has worked with Dido, Akon, 50 Cent, Nate Dogg, G-unit, D12, Elton John, Marilyn Manson, etc... And those were still not their best songs. Eminem and 50 Cent do better alone than with other rappers, and that proves them to be better than all of them. < Well that's your opinion. But to be a good rapper you need millions of people to love your songs enough to buy the album. And Lil' Wayne doesn't have that. < Charismatic? Birdman basically owns him, Cassidy hates him, 50 Cent hates him, Papoose hates him, Jay-Z hates him. Lil' Wayne has ghostwriters. I can't prove it but it's obvious that Gillie Da Kid has written stuff for him, and who knows if anybody else in Cash Money records has too. While 50 Cent and Eminem are so great that they had to expand into D12, G-unit, G-unit records, Shady Records, to help other artists with their songs, Lil Wayne is taking classes from other rappers. |
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Pro sippinsizzurp forfeited this round.
Con Mind to gun Define which one is the surviving one You say to mind your means is surviving Define it son Rappers use their mind Since the mind behind the gun The mind refines the dumb Guarding them for time to come Drop it son Gun to mind Mind to gun Define which one is the surviving one You say guns is your means to surviving Define it son Where you get your power from when drama comes? Behind the gun Power is money Money is power Drop it son ---Drop it son, by Papoose featuring Busta Rhymes |
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Pro "Unfortunately, I'm sorry, but I can't do that." That's quite alright and I accept your apology. However, your arguments claiming that 50 Cent and Eminem are superior to Lil Wayne are flawed, in that you employ commercial success instead of rapping ability as a proof that they in fact are currently better rappers. Furthermore, I consider Eminem ineligible as a rival to Lil Wayne as best current rapper considering he has been on hiatus for the past few years. Also, by CURRENT I imply recent popularity and recognition in which Eminem is definitely lacking. As for "fiddy", who has been admittedly successful in album sales and other financial ventures, he is nonetheless deficient in the characteristics that make a great(not just successful) rapper. His faltering, monotonal mumbling is only outdone by his uninspired and witless lyrics. As for listing numerous people your two artists have worked with, this is pointless being that Lil Waynes collaborations eclipse those of 50 cent and Eminem both in multitude and prestige. "...to be a good rapper you need millions of people to love your songs enough to buy the album. And Lil' Wayne doesn't have that." This statement is both unsound and just plain incorrect. I disagree that rap skills and album sales hold a strong correlation; case in point, Soulja Boy. Even so, millions of people do, in fact, love Lil Waynes songs enough to buy his albums. In the matter of your last point, questioning Waynes charisma and listing rappers who dislike him, you've completely strayed from the initial argument. Despite your digression, you did choose a splendid verse by Papoose in your second argument. Indeed I would say Papoose approaches Lil Waynes ability, it's too bad you made no case for him. But to counter, here's a little something I happened to be listening to while writing this. Drag my name through the mud I come out clean Cast away stones I won't even blink A gun is not a math problem, I won't even think Just leave you dead like the mink under my sink Don't believe in me Don't believe me I graduated from hungry, and made it to greedy My flow is like pasta Take it and eat it But I'ma need cheese if I'm bakin' a ziti Lil Wayne "Gossip" The Leak ($3.99 on Itunes) Con Only because he hasn't dropped many albums recently, doesn't mean he's not a current rapper. He played in one of 50 Cent's recent songs and on the #1 hit "Smack That" with Akon. <> There's always somebody who's going to like Lil' Wayne's lyrics more than 50 Cent's. But album sales certainly show that people often choose 50 over Wayne. < He did not sell millions with his latest album so that's incorrect. The lyric you sent me is not bad. But your whole argument is based on opinion. My argument is based on the fact that more people share my opinion than mine. I'm glad to see a rap-related debate though, I never thought that anyone on debate.org was a rap fan. |
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And selling has little to do with skill; it's pretty much all about marketing. "Curtis" would not have sold as much as it did if not for the media attention from the 50 vs. Kanye thing.
"I can't mess with fifty"
I rest my case.
How can you even say that? That's pretty insulting. And I'm sorry if I'm being too judgmental, but you're a white boy who gets high off of sizzurp and weed? Seriously, who's the wigger? I'm a Hispanic from New York, not a white suburban youth. Lil Wayne said himself "I don't wanna mess with 50". He tried, then he backed right off...
"But there's a Macbeth side to him too: Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under't. Anyone can understand Wayne, and yet no one can understand Wayne"
(Dont like his point on album sales)
For who kept on comparing Wayne to other rappers because of "album sales" take this:
"But lucky for Wayne (and us), critics arent the only ones who love him. I hate to keep harping on sales (although then again why not, because sales are the whole point here —otherwise he'd be giving this one away free too) but a projected 900K+ in the first week? More than Mariah and Usher did in their first weeks combined?"
Heres just a little of both sides. Not the best in telling a story but his verses still make sense and very very good:
"The word "narrative" has come up a few times. Narrative comes from narrare, which is O.G. for to tell a story. "Fly, go hard like geese erection" is brilliant. But it's not a story, and it's barely a sentence, and the next verse is "fashion patrol, police detection/ Eyes stay tight like Chinese connection." But maybe that's not the best part of "Dr. Carter" to bring up if you want to talk about the few and fabulous times Lil Wayne stays on point."
Listen to this verse:
"Wait! As I put the light down his throat/ I can only see flow/ His blood starting to flow/ His lungs starting to grow/ This one starting to show/ Strong signs of life/ Where the stitches, here's the knife/ Smack his face, his eyes open/ I reply with a nice welcome back/ Hip-Hop, I saved your life."
Just at the fact that Wayne can rap so metaphorically makes him unique. In other words different from others, doing your own thing and being yourself and thats what being a good rapper is all about.
"It's more the fact that he seems to just be playing with it.On The Eminem Show Eminem sounded like he'd lost his d*mn mind, doing Pee Wee Herman impressions and rhyming
about utterly wacky nonsense because he just didn't give a f*ck anymore. Wayne projects the same sense of
just-foolin'-around but instead of boredom, he's driven by curiosity. He loves getting lost inside his own
brain, slipping inside every unlocked door just to see where it goes. My favorite example of this is four bars
near the end of "Mr. Carter" where he just takes an idea and runs with it — "Off the Richter /Hector/ Camacho Man Randy Savage/ Far from average/ Above status/ Quo…flow…so…pro…" It's an earthquake metaphor"
Also other quotes like:
"The guy can ryhme" "I find many lyric-driven rap artists are difficult to listen to. Either I dont like the way his voice sounds, and I don't like how he articulates or I dont like the words he uses — too many nouns maybe, or too many abstractions. Dense metaphor is strictly for-the-mind sh*t."