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Lower the Voting Age

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Started: 2/26/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Arganger

Pro

You may go first.

I am FOR lowering the voting age, and for this argument we will talk about lowering it to 16.


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Amphia

Con

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Debate Round No. 1
Arganger

Pro

Teenagers are affected by politics, and therefore should have a say in it.
Many issues that are voted on directly affect primarily teenagers. One big example being education.

Issues that tend to effect teenagers more than adults:

  • voucher system
  • Educational funding
  • homeschooling
  • Minimum wage
  • Collage pricing
Teenagers are held accountable to the law.
If someone is to be held to the law, they should also have some kind of say in it.

All States allow juveniles to be tried as adults. Even if sentencing was always reduced or changed for minors, they still had no way for their opinion to count in any fashion.

https://www.ncjrs.gov...

Teenagers are not likely to vote worse than adults.
55.7% of the U.S. voting-age population cast ballots in the 2016 presidential election. That is just the presidential election, of which tends to get voted in most. If nearly half the current voting age adults won't vote, having teenagers involved won't hurt.

According to my other sources poll, only "36% of Americans could name all three branches of the government"

This shows that most people wouldn't be voting if quality of vote was important.

http://www.pewresearch.org...

http://www.businessinsider.com...

Thank you for the debate, and I look forward to how it develops.

Amphia

Con

I think the basis of your argument is that teenagers should vote because politics affect them. In that case, 5-year-olds should vote and so should non-citizens. Politics affect everyone in America. The reason we don't allow teens to vote is because they are children, they are underage. Why should we allow them to vote but not allow them to smoke or drink alcohol? Because they are not adults.

And also, what is the point of your statistic: "36% of Americans could name all three branches of the government". It's worse for teens:

"That's according to a new study, which finds a sizable percentage of high school-age Americans don't really know what all the fuss is about today. More than a fifth of the survey respondents didn't know which country we declared our independence from, including 14 percent who thought it was France, not Britain.

The survey reported that 15 percent of U.S. teens didn't know the Declaration of Independence was adopted on July 4, 1776. Nine percent thought we ratified the Constitution that day. (That didn't happen for another 13 years.)"
http://abcnews.go.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Arganger

Pro

Smoke and alochol effect brain development, hence why people cannot use them until age twenty one.

The voting age is eighteen, not twenty one. That alone shows a difference in reasoning.

However, because of the high prevalence of addiction both, I believe they should both be restricted for everyone.

http://www.education.vic.gov.au...

Personally, I do think five year olds should vote, but I am exculding them from this argument. This is to follow the advice of the person whom voted on this debate:
http://www.debate.org...

Non Americans are not being represented by american or local decisions, as they don't belong to the country. Naturalized U.S. citizens on the other hand, can vote. Each country represents its own citizens, and is responsible for their voice being heard.

https://www.washingtonlawhelp.org...

The point of my statistic is to show that even if teenage voters were bad voters, that wouldn't be a good reason for exclusion.

Historically women and black people were kept from voting.
This was because at the time, both groups were seen as incompetent. Why are teenagers so much different then them?

If even a small amount are actively following politics and know what they are talking about, they should be able to act on it, rather than be forced to accept whatever is pushed on them.

Not everyone lives to age eighteen.
So, as is, many people will never be able to have a say in how their county is run.

"An average of 16,375 teenagers 12–19 years died in the United States every year from 1999 to 2006." -https://www.cdc.gov...

“Elections belong to the people. It's their decision. If they decide to turn their back on the fire and burn their behinds, then they will just have to sit on their blisters.”
R13; Abraham lincoln
Amphia

Con

I really do not think teenagers should be allowed to vote. And being honest, I think the voting age should be raised even higher. Studies have proven that full brain development usually occurs by the age of 25. Teenagers are known to be more emotional and impulsive than adults. Their voting is likely to be immature and also not very well-informed. But even if you don't buy this, teenagers are also more likely to be influenced by their parents.

" While a fifth of U.S. teens (21%) say they are "more liberal" than their parents and 7% say "more conservative," 7 in 10 teens (71%) say their social and political ideology is about the same as mom and dad's."

http://news.gallup.com...

Parents have a huge influence on teens. They would vote through their children or the children would just believe hat their parents said and vote based on that. And since nowadays, people hardly ever fact-check we would have people voting on issues that they did even know the full story about, simply because it is what their mom told them.

I do not think non-citizens should be allowed to vote, I am saying that your argument that teenagers are affected by politics thus should get to vote is flimsy. Non-Americans are also affected by politics. Regardless of whether they are American or not is unimportant, the fact is that if you're in a country, the country's policies affect you. Also, women and black people being excluded from voting is not the same as excluding teenagers. Women and black people were still adults. "

If even a small amount are actively following politics...they should be able to act on it..." This applies to non-citizens but they still can't vote, right? The majority of teens are not ready, the few that are will just have to wait till they are older.

"Not everyone lives to age eighteen..." Well no, but that isn't a reason to change the law.
Debate Round No. 3
Arganger

Pro

"I really do not think teenagers should be allowed to vote. And being honest, I think the voting age should be raised even higher."

If the voting age was to be based on brain development, twenty five would be the only age to make sense.

However, that means that even someone who lives until one hundred years of age spends one forth of their life without rights over themselves, and control over their lives. Most people get less time.


" While a fifth of U.S. teens (21%) say they are "more liberal" than their parents and 7% say "more conservative," 7 in 10 teens (71%) say their social and political ideology is about the same as mom and dad's."

Over a forth having their own opinions is actually quite good. Regardless, that isn't quite true.

"in the NLSY sample, which looks at child-mother relationships, 51.2 percent of children misperceived or rejected their mothers’ political party identification. The results for the HLS sample, which considered child-mother and child-father relationships, were similar. In that sample, 53.5 percent of children misperceived or rejected their mothers’ political party affiliation, and 54.2 percent did so for their fathers’ identification." -http://www.asanet.org...

"They would vote through their children or the children would just believe hat their parents said and vote based on that."

Children have free will, and given the right to vote would make their own decisions. If that means shutting out everyone but a few opinions, what difference does that make? Most voters are already uninformed, and if teenagers are as well, it makes little difference.

"Also, women and black people being excluded from voting is not the same as excluding teenagers. Women and black people were still adults. "

Who's to say that age is any less arbitrary to deny people on the gender or race? Both were once seen as less intelligent.

I thank you for the argument, and conclude.
Amphia

Con

I think you are very focused on the idea that a percentage of people don't live long enough to vote. It is sad that people die young but we can't change laws because of that. 4-year-olds die of cancer, we wouldn't lower the voting age to 4 to accommodate them.

"However, that means that even someone who lives until one hundred years of age spends one forth of their life without rights over themselves, and control over their lives. Most people get less time." Not being able to vote does not mean you don't have rights over yourself. it means you need to wait till you are older.

Actually less than a fourth of teens have their own opinion...but, even if you don't buy the influence argument, teens still are not ready to vote. Children do have free will but they are not mature enough to vote. As I said before: "Studies have proven that full brain development usually occurs by the age of 25. Teenagers are known to be more emotional and impulsive than adults. Their voting is likely to be immature and also not very well-informed."

"Most voters are already uninformed, and if teenagers are as well, it makes little difference." This is very problematic. Instead of just adding more uninformed voters to the pool, we need to educate the ones we already have! You can't just say, well our voters are already ignorant so who cares if we add more ignorant voters? That is not how elections should be, elections based on misinformation and ignorance are not true elections!

I wish you wouldn't compare women's suffrage and civil rights to teenagers not being allowed to vote. They are not the same, teenagers are not being oppressed the way women and African-Americans were.

In conclusion, teenagers should not vote because they are not mature enough and to allow them to vote would lead to more problems and questions:
1. In that case, should non-citizens get to vote?
2. What about 10-year-olds?
3. Now we have more misinformed voters who will vote based off emotion instead of logic and facts
Debate Round No. 4
12 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by Ragnar 3 years ago
Ragnar
This debate would have been improved with a decided amount for the age to be lowered. Heck if redoing it perhaps a shared BoP? Pro argues for 15, con argues for 25.
Posted by Arganger 3 years ago
Arganger
You only have two hours left.
Posted by Vaarka 3 years ago
Vaarka
I say raise the voting age (as well as the draft age) to 21.
Posted by Amphia 3 years ago
Amphia
Non-Americans are also directly affected.
Posted by Arganger 3 years ago
Arganger
LogicalPen I mean directly affected, nonAmericans are secondly affected.
Posted by LogicalPen 3 years ago
LogicalPen
Essentially, you said that anyone who is affected by American politics should be allowed to vote. So why shouldn't non-citizens vote? Since everyone is affected by American politics, everyone should be allowed to vote, regardless of age or citizenship at least that's what you said. "Teenagers are affected by politics, and therefore should have a say in it."
Posted by LogicalPen 3 years ago
LogicalPen
Essentially, you said that anyone who is affected by American politics should be allowed to vote. So why shouldn't non-citizens vote? Since everyone is affected by American politics, everyone should be allowed to vote, regardless of age or citizenship at least that's what you said. "Teenagers are affected by politics, and therefore should have a say in it."
Posted by Arganger 3 years ago
Arganger
@LogicalPen Children yes, but not non-Americans as they aren't citizens.
Posted by ALPHAHAWK116 3 years ago
ALPHAHAWK116
i think we should vote because then the a** trump woundnt be the prez. it shouldnt be decided by only the adults because they make stupid decisions (WHY IS TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!?????)
Posted by LogicalPen 3 years ago
LogicalPen
Children are affected by politics, should we let them vote? Non-American citizens are affected by American politics, should we let them vote? Loopholes, mate. Loopholes.
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