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Drlebronski
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Dr.Smiley
Con (against)

Minimum wage is to low in the US.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/25/2021 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Drlebronski

Pro

The minimum wage is way too low and it's so obvious. Just look at a chart, The richest country in the world has a minimum wage of 7. 25 but if you look at Australia it's 14. 25, Let me remind you; America is the richest country in the WORLD. Australia doesn't even make it onto the top ten list of rich countries. The minimum wage should be raised to 15 dollars at least.
Dr.Smiley

Con

Economics 101. Raising the minimum wage seems like a good idea on paper, But not on the economy. One of the biggest reasons people fight for the raise on minimum wage is poverty rates. Let's say hypothetically the minimum wage is now $15. We would expect better employment rates and fewer poverty rates, Unfortunately, This is not the case. According to a study of Seattle's minimum wage increase by the National Bureau of Economic Research, People who were experienced in the workforce received higher pay and increased job opportunities, But the less experienced workers(people who are looking for jobs or barely begun working. ) saw a loss in job opportunities. This is because the labor costs rise, Even though labor cost is the largest budget item a company or business has to consider. When businesses are pushed to raise their pay, They will hire fewer people to keep the labor cost the same. Smaller businesses will find it harder to operate with fewer workers, Therefore they may be forced to declare bankruptcy.
Debate Round No. 1
Drlebronski

Pro

Actually, A study https://www. Nber. Org/system/files/working_papers/w4509/w4509. Pdf by Alan Krueger and David card from the national bureau of economic research showed the opposite When they looked at Pennsylvania and new jersey; New Jersey had a wage of 5. 05$ an hour whereas Pennsylvania had a wage of 4. 25$ an hour. The study showed that after the wage increase in New Jersey more people got jobs because of the increase. But since this study is a little outdated the average minimum wage in most states is 7. 25$ an hour studies have proved countless times this is not a living wage. I will also say that if you can't pay your workers a living wage then you have no business doing business. Also an ice cream buissness that was low on workers made their wage 15$ an hour and instantly got 1, 000 applications for workers this is not provable at all but i would just like to point that out.
Dr.Smiley

Con

Many question the sudden change of results since these two studies got different outcomes. However, It was found that the David Card and Alan Krueger study had terrible proxies. Many studies are the flawed cause of the bad proxies that they used. The problem with the David Card ad Alan Krueger study is that they only focused on fast-food chains, Which are dominated by teen workers who worked at or close to the minimum wage. This limit of data causes a bias in the results, However, I'll admit, That fast-food chain workers would benefit from a rise in the minimum wage. Even though I believe that they would benefit from it, I think that the company should be left to decide on how much they want to pay their workers. Furthermore, The reason why the Seattle study got a different result was because they had access to data from the State of Washington's Employment Security Department, Which cataloged every worker's wages and hours worked. When Seattle raised its minimum wage to $13, The hours worked by low-wage workers fell by so much that they actually earned less in total because of the change than they would have without it. The average worker actually earned $125 less per month at a $13 minimum wage than they did at an $11 minimum wage. "Even if you measure something a hundred times and get the same answer, It could still be wrong if all the measurements were made with a broken ruler. "

"I will also say that if you can't pay your workers a living wage then you have no business doing business. " Many would argue that the minimum wage wasn't supposed to be a living wage, It was supposed to be for teen workers who were barely starting to get into the workforce. In the U. S, We have millions of job opportunities, We are free to become entrepreneurs and start our own businesses. I'm guessing you don't have a business, But if you barely started one, Then I'm guessing it wouldn't be so easy paying 15 dollars an hour. Many small businesses can't afford a living wage, And that's why I don't support the Federal Government ruling over them. Businesses are meant to make profits out of the demand that the people have.
Debate Round No. 2
Drlebronski

Pro

The problem with companies making peoples hours too low is easy to fix just, Make it so if they make a bunch of money like Walmart the companies have to put people in for at least 6 hours (if the worker has that time) it probably sounds silly but it could work. Second, You say that anyone can start a business and make good money this is just so untrue. First, Not everyone wants to start a business and second not everyone has enough money to make all these investments! Even if you did the chances of you becoming a good business that makes enough money or more are small. "the minimum wage wasn't supposed to be a living wage" it should be a living wage because there are so many people that made mistakes like dropping out of school but when they try to fix the mistake they don't have enough money to pay for their college or college debt or they stayed in college but can barely afford to feed themselves because of college debt and tax. America unlike most other countries hasn't kept up with inflation since 2009 If it did keep up with inflation 7. 20$ would equal 9 dollars now. "Many small businesses can't afford a living wage" If you can't pay your workers a living wage then you don't have a viable business model.

The Seattle study I admit back in 2018 it was super relevant, But times are changing especially with the coronavirus and an all-time high poverty rate. Also with people around the world refusing to work NOW if we raised the minimum wage to 15$ people all over the world would get back to their jobs, Be able to pay for college, And go onto live with successful careers. I would also like to point out that countries all over the world are having no problem doing a living wage.
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Debate Round No. 3
7 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 7 records.
Posted by Leaning 1 month ago
Leaning
Interesting debate, Pity Dr. Smiley's third round, Sounds to have been glitched by the website.
Posted by Drlebronski 2 months ago
Drlebronski
this site is completely broken nothing is updating for me
Posted by Drlebronski 2 months ago
Drlebronski
if you can't get it to work try putting the response in the comments
Posted by Drlebronski 2 months ago
Drlebronski
its fine
Posted by Dr.Smiley 2 months ago
Dr.Smiley
Drlebronski, I swear to God that I posted a round 3 arguement. The site literally failed. Imma do another response tommorow since I'm busy. Sorry for any inconveniences
Posted by Drlebronski 2 months ago
Drlebronski
Dr smiley you gonna respond?
Posted by steveja 2 months ago
steveja
This discussion of minimum wage misses a MAJOR point. Any wage is an exchange of labor for salary (&perq's). Supply and demand is the normal market-clearance method of determining this exchange rate. It is how MOST wages are determined. When we set a minimum wage we are in effect - setting a minimum price for only the high-supply lower-demand labor. This directly CAUSES a shift in the labor consumption pattern.

If we set a minimum-$/lb for produce, It would have little effect on expensive blackberries and raspberries, But would massive increase the cost of formerly-cheap watermelon & bananas. Ppl would consume less watermelons by far b/c they JUDGE the value/lb is far less than raspberries. This is a market-distortion that does no good for anyone. We WANT prices (incl wages) to reflect supply and demand.

Around 75% of min-wage workers are <26yo and live with a parent! These are PRIMARILY (not entirely) young, Low-skilled worker who are abundant and produce low value (supply=high, -demand-low). I Agree that there are adults with low-skills and low-commercial-productivity, And they may never command a living wage based on their productivity. It is incumbent on SOCIETY, Not the employer, To subsidize these individuals and provide charity/welfare.

A minimum wage is a misguided attempt to make employers provide welfare (owed by society, Not employers) to low-productivity individuals. Min-wage is an attempt to shirk social responsibility toward very-low-value laborers. It also creates very substantial harm to low-value workplace entrants (young kids w/o many skills).
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