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Morals Exist Without Religion

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Started: 6/26/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Objective Morals do not exist. All morals are created by man to serve a purpose. Without religions, morals would still exist. Morals taken from the bible are terrible.


It's impossible for morals to exist without religion because internal struggle is a byproduct of external lighting. This lighting is provided by religion - Just think about it. The past is a unfinished book with graffiti inside - this graffiti is only seen if you have light. And the eraser to remove that graffiti is necessary for the finding of the graffiti to be relevant.
Debate Round No. 1


Your argument does not make any sense. Objective morals do not exist. Religion was created by man, therefore man created moral. An atheist can be just as moral as a christian. Someone who has never even heard of religion can be just as moral as a religious person. There was a time before religion. Did morals not exist during this time? Morals are created by society and man. Religion just presents rules and orders, not morals.


Untrue, as light shining upon morals is needed to reveal their existence

Darkness = Ignorance

Without knowledge we cant know if we are moral.

Also, Pro has not provided any sources for his argument. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 2


Well first off I am not doing this to win or lose, I am looking for a intellectual conversation in which we can both learn. You also have not provided sources and your argument still does not make sense.

Your entire argument is flawed due to the fact that you believe morals are an objective truth that exist. This is not the case and their is no evidence for this at all. Morals are always changing and they differ based on how society changes. Morals are created by man in order to serve an agenda. Religion does not provide morals that can be followed today or that provide positive outcomes.


Are you saying morals don't exist?

If a moral doesnt exist, how does the snake know to hunt its prey? It wouldnt. Your argument is flawed.

Moral = Not killing someone
Immoral = Killing someone

The fact that there are people who do NOT kill anyone proves that morals exist.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 2 years ago
>Reported vote: Theguy1789// Mod action: Removed<

3 points to Pro (Arguments). Reasons for voting decision: I couldn't understand a damn thing con said.

[*Reason for removal*] Difficulties involved in understanding one side's arguments can certainly influence a decision, but the voter still has to assess the arguments of the winning side or explain how Con carried the burden of proof. Without doing either, the vote is insufficient.
Posted by TheWaywardWriter 2 years ago
Even though I have won an argument against the Pro, I have to agree with him that his opponent has poor structure in his argument and makes little sense at all. Oh, prodigyofaristotle, haven't you mentioned to me that you would consider my points in our debate? Reconsider yours. Good luck to both debaters.
Posted by philochristos 2 years ago
On the one hand, you said, "Objective morals do not exist." But then you say, "Without religions, morals would still exist." Do you think morals exist or not? Or are you saying objective morals don't exist, but some other kind of morals do?
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
truth is not lies
Posted by Mission4Christ 2 years ago
I feel like morals and religion are directly connected. People need religion to justify their morals and morals to justify their religion.
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