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Praying to god is logically useless

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Started: 9/6/2019 Category: Science
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anc2006

Pro

if god exists, It would not listen to us at all as god is as high as 10th-11th dimensions, While we are utterly 4. This would be hearing the language between several pencils(just the normal one where middle-schoolers use to write)

if god doesn't, Then it is useless as there aren't even a thing that can let us pray unto.

Praying only improve self-esteem, But not the idea of god.
CABAL93

Con

If the purpose of praying is to improve ones life and that is the result then it is logical regardless if this entity exists or not.
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Pro

It would be a waste because words only to some entity who can't hear would be a waste of language, Thus making nothing to help, Thus being illogical.
CABAL93

Con

It actually is because the importance is the fact that our brains tend to recreate or strive for the images that we have in our heads which is why the image of god can help us. God can be seen as an abstraction of what is good and right. So when people fill their minds with this abstraction then they tend to imitate it knowingly or unknowingly. And this works regardless of if god exists or not.
Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Pro

As I said, You can pray, To the abstract is may be useful, But to god itself it is useless.
CABAL93

Con

It depends on what one means by god. If one means that there is an actual being making decisions then it should prove worthless because there is no evidence of this entity, However if one were to take a Jordan Peterson like view of religion then we can argue that god could mean something different. One can argue that religions started as human beings telling stories about how to overcome life's obstacles and pretty soon certain characters began to emerge that really symbolized "the right way, The good way" etc. This explains also way so many separated religions and belief systems in history show similar symbols, Characters and patterns. Because the right ways are the same for all humans and therefore emerge as stories and symbols among all cultures. This was really outlaid by Carl Jung that explained this with his idea of "the collective unconscious" shared by all humans. God is in this sense the ultimate symbol of what is right and therefore peoples lives improve when they turn to this symbol of right and good in different forms for guidance and answers. And since the ultimate goal of prayer is to get improvement in ones life then the act is logical because there is a correlation between turning to symbols and characters that represent the right way and get improvement. People do this all the time by the way when they watch movies or play games and get inspired or motivated by that story and its characters.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by WhoPutYouOnThePlanet 1 week ago
WhoPutYouOnThePlanet
If you say so
Posted by CABAL93 1 week ago
CABAL93
No if praying makes you feel better then it's not a waste of time. You said that even though praying makes you feel better it's a waste of time.
Posted by anc2006 1 week ago
anc2006
Well praying rarely works, But praying to god never works because god will not here us.
Posted by WhoPutYouOnThePlanet 1 week ago
WhoPutYouOnThePlanet
No i said people feeling better "by praying" is a waste of time.

Nice try at a strawman though.
Posted by CABAL93 1 week ago
CABAL93
@WhoPutYouOnThePlanet. You literally said that people feeling better is a waste of time.
Posted by WhoPutYouOnThePlanet 1 week ago
WhoPutYouOnThePlanet
"None really knows perhaps we are too stupid to figure it out"

Believe it or not some Christians/Creationists use this as a argument, I personally remember three people who used this arguments when i pointed out a multitude of logical contradictions in the bible, They couldn't even con-seed that the bible was full of errors and absurditys, So it must be beyond human understanding. . .
Posted by WhoPutYouOnThePlanet 1 week ago
WhoPutYouOnThePlanet
How does praying improve someones life if there is no entity do anything with/for it? The only point you can make here is that praying makes people feel better, But in the end thats just delusion and a waste of time.
Posted by backwardseden 1 week ago
backwardseden
Which god? And why only one god? Regardless it is certainly useless to pray to any god(s) because no prayers have yet to be answered through something as ridiculous as "faith" because faith has yet to be proved. And no true god would be stupid enough to use faith instead of evidence.
Posted by billsands 1 week ago
billsands
None really knows perhaps we are too stupid to figure it out
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