Pro-choice
| Voting Style: | Open | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
| Started: | 7/8/2014 | Category: | Politics | ||
| Updated: | 7 years ago | Status: | Post Voting Period | ||
| Viewed: | 10,426 times | Debate No: | 58685 | ||
 Pro The first round is just acceptance, however, there is one requirement: Religion cannot be used as reasoning. As a human being with my own free will I am allowed to have my own religious beliefs, just like everyone else. The beliefs of one religion cannot dictate how everyone lives their lives. Con |
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Pro First and foremost I would like to clarify the semantics here that this is a pro-choice argument, not a pro-abortion argument. I myself don't think I would ever get an abortion, but i beileve that women have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies.
2) Reproductive choice empowers women by giving them control over their own bodies.
3) Personhood begins after a fetus becomes "viable" (able to survive outside the womb) or after birth, not at conception. [Kenneth R. Weiss, "Fertility Rates Fall, but Global Population Explosion Goes On," latimes.com, July 22, 2012] Some states even have laws implace that do not recognize a fetus as a baby until it has taken a breath outside of the womb. Con 3. Abortion is the murderer of a person who hasn't even had a chance to live. Everyone was a fetus once. It could have been anyone. Everyone deserves a chance. |
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Pro There is this concept called "bodily autonomy," the notion that a person"s control over their own body is above all important and can"t be infringed upon. We can"t even take lifesaving organs from corpses unless they gave consent before they died. To tell women that they have to sacrifice their bodily autonomy for 9 months against their will in an incredibly expensive, invasive, and risky process to save what you view as another human life (a debatable claim in the early stages of pregnancy when most abortions are performed) is unethical. You"re asking people who become pregnant to accept less bodily autonomy than we grant dead bodies. 2a) A baby should not come into the world unwanted. Having a child is an important decision that requires consideration, preparation, and planning. The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment stated that unintended pregnancies are associated with birth defects, low birth weight, maternal depression, increased risk of child abuse, lower educational attainment, delayed entry into prenatal care, a high risk of physical violence during pregnancy, and reduced rates of breastfeeding. [Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, "Family Planning Program," colorado.gov (accessed July. 7, 2014)] 49% of all pregnancies among American women are unintended. [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), "Unintended Pregnancy Prevention: Home" (159 KB) , cdc.gov (accessed July. 7, 2014)] 2b) Everyone was also a sperm once. An egg once. Does this mean that all women who ovulate without becoming pregnant, and all men who masturbate are "murder[ing] a person who hasn't even had a chance to live?" Con 2. Everyone deserves a chance. A baby may be unwanted but they can become an incredible person. What would you say to a person who was almost aborted?. For example their mom wanted to kill them but wasn't allowed to because of the abortion laws in their state. Because of that abortion law that prevented the mom from killing the baby that person exists today. They can live their life happily. When you ovulate or masturbate your not harming a person. Women are meant to have periods. Otherwise they would have hundreds of children in a life time if each egg was used. An egg is not a person and neither is a sperm. Once those gamete combine they become a person. |
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Pro 1 and 2a) "Baby murderer doctor" would imply that you can prove that a fetus (remember, at this stage it is called a fetus, not a baby) is a fully realized and legally recognized human. As I have pointed out to you several times now, a fetus is not. You say that when we ovulate or masturbate we are not hurting a human life. No one is hurting a human life when an abortion is preformed, merely taking away the potential for human life, just like when you masturbate or ovulate. 2b) Implying that anyone who causes the "death of a baby" is a "murderer," must mean you believe women who have miscarriages are murderers? If they lift something a little too heavy or fall. Are these women to be held accountable and imprisoned for the "human life" they have ended? 2c)As a child who was almost aborted myself, I don't need to say anything to anyone. I, as a person who has known struggle in my life, understand the things my mother was dealing with and why she wouldn't want to bring a child into that situation. Con 2 if a pregnant women accidentally kills the baby by falling or lifting something too heavy than she is not a murderer because she did not mean to kill the baby. That's manslaughter. Murderer is when you kill someone on purpose . 3 you were almost aborted? Do you enjoy your life? Aren't you glad you got a chance?. If you don't enjoy your life than imagine of you were a person who was almost aborted but got a chance and was born and as this person you enjoy your life. Your glad that you got a chance and you believe you could help people and make a positive impact on this world. Would t you believe that your life was not a choice? Wouldn't you be glad your mother didn't make that choice to Abort you? Wouldn't it bother you to imagine what could have happened if you had been killed? You wouldn't have gotten to experience all these wonderful things or hep the people you've helped. Think of all the middle class or upper class people who kill their unborn children. That child would have had a chance to grow up in a nice loving (maybe not loving depending on why the parents got an abortion and how bad they felt about it afterwords) family with enough money but instead their parents were y ready or were focusing on their careers and decided that this baby-their baby wasn't as important as their plans and killed it. Normal people love their children more than anything and would never put their plans or careers in front of their children's life. |
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Two) No, an obituary for a fetus wouldn't be nice, it'd be a waste of ink.
Three) My point was that life does not equal being a person, and haven't demonstrated that a fetus is.
One) You're car case is really stupid. It doesn't even apply to pregnancy right. This is the scenario: "A storm is coming, you park your car outside your house. The car is thrown into your neighbor's house and injures your neighbor." You got that right, congrats. But you shouldn't end on "Now does your neighbor get to kill you" or "Now do you get to kill your neighbor?" The correct question is "Now do you have to attach yourself to your neighbor for months to sustain their life?" NO YOU DO NOT.
Two) Now, why is it wrong to use the kill your neighbor part. Here is why. First, it doesnt properly apply to pregnancy. Two, we have already established that a fetus isnt a human. To quote myself from earlier on, "So far it seems the proof of a fetus being a human being is unyielding chanting "I think i can i think i can i think i can" while pointing at pictures of fetus and giving a look that seems to suggest "But it looks like something that might be alive" while half the group burns downs abortion centers and anywhere that might hold proof to the contrary of their belief"
What i typed "Is it not as equally ethical to kill the baby in her womb that was a result of nature's processes"
What i meant "Is it not as equally unethical to kill the baby in her womb that was a result of nature's processes
And, yes, I would be willing to allow abortions to rape victims cause the woman was not a willing partner.