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Purushadasa
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Proof of God: Opposing Moral Ideals

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Started: 8/12/2017 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Purushadasa

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1. If God does not exist, objective moral ideals do not exist.

2. Objective moral ideals do exist:

(2a. If opposing moral ideals exist, some moral ideals are wrong).

(2b. If some moral ideals are wrong, objective moral ideals exist).

(2c. Opposing moral ideals do exist).

(2d. Therefore, some moral ideals are wrong).

(2e. Therefore, objective moral ideals do exist).

3. Therefore, God exists. QED
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Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
"If God does not exist, then objective moral ideals do not exist."

Premise one is a non sequitur. You first need to establish that God"s existence would make any difference to the existence of "objective moral values" before you can postulate as to the consequences of a God-free universe. Your "objective standard of morals" is based simply on asserting your God is the standard. Why is that objective?
Posted by canis 3 years ago
canis
No god does exist unless you create one...The same is true about moral.
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
To say that moral values are objective is just to say that moral values are not determined by what anyone thinks. Moral accountability, on the other hand, has to do with the consequences for people"s moral or immoral behavior.
So saying that moral values are objective is to say precisely nothing about moral accountability, including whether there are "eternal consequences" for our actions.
It could be the case that there are OMVs and our actions have eternal consequences. It could also be the case that there are OMVs and our actions do NOT have eternal consequences.
Posted by Moelogy 3 years ago
Moelogy
The argument might fall at 2a or 2b though.
Posted by Moelogy 3 years ago
Moelogy
Damn! that was a somewhat good argument.
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