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Purushadasa
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DavitosanX
Con (against)

Proof of God Via Dependent Reality

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/16/2017 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Purushadasa

Pro

1. A dependent real (something real and caused by another) exists.

2. The dependent real's cause must
also be real, and must either be dependent, or independent (not caused by another).

3. The dependent cannot be the sole cause of the dependent.

4. Therefore, the cause must include an independent real (something real and not caused by another).

5. Therefore, an independent real exists.

God's scriptures reveal the fact that this Independent Real is none other than God himself. If the Independent Real is not God, then it is something like God. If "something like God" exists, then God also exists.

Therefore God exists, Theism is true, and the belief in atheist Dogma is false.
DavitosanX

Con

For the sake of this debate, I'll accept your five premises. You said "If the Independent Real is not God, then it is something like God". I would need your definition of God before I agree or disagree. Would you kindly provide it?

I would propose a different conclusion: "At least one independent real exists, and it is the cause of the dependent real."
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Posted by platoandaristotle 3 years ago
platoandaristotle
Premise 5: an independent reality exists
How do you determine what this is?
Posted by Purushadasa 3 years ago
Purushadasa
If nothing existentially independent existed, then nothing existentially dependent could exist either, and yet existentially dependent things do exist. On what do these existentially dependent things depend for their existence? That thing must necessarily be existentially independent, for the dependent cannot be the sole cause of the dependent. Thanks for your time! =)
Posted by canis 3 years ago
canis
Nothing independent exist..
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