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Public School should start After Labor Day and end by mid June

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Started: 7/28/2014 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Many communities are starting schools prior to labor day and ending in last week of June due to snow days. This is resulting in social, economic and educational problems that would be solved by making the school year tighter from start to finish.

Socially, kids and families suffer with prior to Labor Day start (PLDS). Kids have a short summer to relax, hang with their "summer" friends, work, take a break, travel, go to camp, learn new things. Cutting this too short hurts those relationships and that time to self that kids need to reenergize for school year. Families suffer because let's face it: during the school year it is hard to spend lots of great time with your kids especially when they are older. Sometimes that summer holiday is when you get to really reconnect with your teens and pry them away from their activities to reenergize your family life. This is really important! Families traditionally use Labor Day as their Last Hurrah: PLDS destroys this. Teachers are part of families too so their stress begins right away as well which can create an unhealthy start to a school year.

From an economic point of view I see two major problems. When public school kids are let out late June and due back late August they are out of the running for lucrative summer work like lifeguarding, ice cream scooping, mowing lawns, waiting tables etc. The kids who get the jobs are from private and some public schools who can report early and work through Labor Day. This leaves a lot of public school kids out of the running for the work that will let them save for college, a trip, a car, a class etc.

Also and just as important, the businesses that rely on Labor Day as their final push of the summer are hurt when families pack up the weekend prior in order to get their kids back to school by Tuesday or Wednesday of that week. It is a rare family that can leave their summer holday for three or four days and then return for three only to leave again. Generally, if school starts early, the holiday ends early and that means that the restaurants, bars, pools, ice cream shops, candy shops, hotels, motels, car rentals, etc lose business.

Educationally I think any quick visit to a school in mid June confirms that the kids, teachers and administrators are "done". By third and fourth weeks of June misbehavior is on the rise, kids are sullen, tired, angry, overheated, fed up. They are not learning anything new and are having their time wasted. Teachers are feeling the same way-there is tedious review, tedious field days in the heat of the sun, no real education going on at all. And administrators are checked out on the current year and focused on the following one. Nothing good comes of extending the school year so long.

If school districts shaped their year in order that kids can complete the required 180 days in a tighter time frame the school year would be more productive for all.


I accept, i'll start refuting in the next round.
Debate Round No. 1


Many might think that having a longer summer for kids sets them back in their reading and math skills. There is plenty of proof from studies across class, geographic and age lines that kids slip during the summer if they don't keep their reading and math skills up. I contend that keeping kids in our ever increasing troubled schools results in the same thing. The mind numbing repetition, the shocking loss of order, the pairing of kids who vastly differ in basic skills, the top down curriculum,etc drag all students down. Tightening up the year by removing random days off for "breaks", eliminating some religious holidays and requiring teachers (and their unions) to meet after the school day for training and the like would allow a more streamlined school year that would result in at least as good an education and certainly a better quality of life for students and families.


Excessive pressure will be applied if students must work on a fast paced schedule. They will have less time to do more homework, less time to grasp more concepts, the result will be a decrease in understanding concepts meant to be taught, a more failing especially among students who need lots of time to process the information. This also increases stress leading to high alchol and other risky behaviors and possibly death due to suicide, durg related car accident, or drug overdose. Colleges will then see a dramatic decrease in public schools aiblity to properly explain essential concepts and be more selective towrads private school. Thus this will segregate families that an afford private schools from those that can't, and people who go to private schools *hint hint wealthy* will be able to recieve better job oppurtunities and thus more power in the American economic and political system. This will severly hurt democracy in America. Sry I can't write too much, cause i'm a little busy, hopefully later rounds i can post more.
Debate Round No. 2


I think all parents share the concerns outlined here. But I am not calling for a shortening of the school year. The 180 days required by law would of course be preserved but the time between those active days of learning would be condensed. Let's look closely at the first two weeks of school. If kids begin prior to labor day their schedule looks something like this: kids come in for one and a half days (traditionally Wednesday is a half day and Thursday is a whole day with Friday being off); then come in for three and a half days (Monday is of course off with usually a half day at least on Tuesday with full days for most age kids on Wednesday-Friday). Then their third week of school is probably a full five days depending on when Jewish holidays fall. We will just leave it at five for easy math! Total days of school for first three weeks equals 10 days with two weekends-including one long four day weekend off between.

Now let's look at a school that starts the Wednesday after Labor Day. Three full days usually with possibly a half day for little ones on the first day (kindergarten) are then followed by the full week of what would be their second week of school. Total days: 8. With only one weekend off between. Arguably dusting the cobwebs out of brains over three weeks with chopped up school days versus the same dusting over two weeks without the choppiness equals out the learning! So the difference comes down again to families having to absorb the anxiety, the nitty gritty details (make sure you have all the right colored folders and supplies and no smell dry erase pens etc) sooner than the families at the school that starts after Labor Day. To me the fears you outlined above are more likely beginning to be played out in the Pre Labor day scenario.

Now let's look at the total year. To come to 180 days with 5 snowdays built in for those of us who get lots of snow requires schools to go to at least mid June. Why then do so many schools now go until the end of June? One of the culprits is "in service days". These are days off for the kids-usually mid week-Tuesday or Thursday seems popular in my town. These are days that the teachers all meet across the district for teacher training. These are also days when parents who work (most of us) are scramblling for childcare options; when older kids are saddled with lots of homework (that will require checking by parents when they return from work); and days that are completely unaccountable to taxpayers, parents and kids. What do these district wide meetings really do? what is the impact on our kids education? what lessons, speakers, workshops are these teachers doing? My district is fairly transparent and yet these in service days are a total mystery to us all. I will add that many teachers through the year are also pulled into team in service days where they have a substitute in the classroom. I contend that having so many in-service days is a time waster-surely their content can be condensed, time can be found that does not require canceling school four or five times a year. Taxpayers, students and parents would be much happier if teachers are in the classroom consistently teaching their children as they should be doing.

School is our kids' work-just like we want to be efficient and excellent at our work, our kids want the same thing. Having the year dragged out, with arbitrary days off, early choppy starts and a finish line that is literally baking in the summer sun is turning their work into misery. A tighter school year-one that preserves summer- results in more relaxed families, happier and more well rounded kids, happier teachers and an overall improvement in the mental ability and health of our kids.


In regards to your first round argument about students being unable to have proper chances to soicalize. I will address most friends that students have are within their school. Quite often students don't see most of their freinds outside of school. Also in the summer students are more likely to be vacation and less likely to see their friends but during a teacher conference day, students are moreso able to meet together and socialize.

In regards to teachers and administraors and students being done by mid june, even if school ended earlier they would still be 'done' a few weeks before the school ended. If they are told schools will go out on mid June they'll simply feel done by mid may or earlier. This is simply because there will be more intense studying in a shorter period of time thus exhausting their endurance by an earlier date. Simply ending school earier by making fewer breaks and making academics more intense does not increase durability of students.

In regards to round 2, pro hasn't provided a solution for kids slipping in the summer. They will simply slip more over the longer summer. Also since there is less time to reinforce taught concepts and cocnepts are taught faster, they will also silip in the school year meaning slips wil happen the ENTIRE year.

I realize my opponent is not overall shortening the curriculumn but those relax days inbetween are of CRITICAL importance.

Also pro seems to want kids to have a long summer and little to no time to adjust to school. Those days around labor day allow kids to be in a transition between school and summer. Without transition time to adjust, students are hit with a brick wall with no ladders to climb over it. Since there is less adjustment time, this will in fact cause more stress.

The conference days that pro seems to call mysterious are in fact very important days for teachers to discuss how to better improve student education. It's obvious conference days exist simply because schools cannnot operate without them, taking those days out is out of the question.

If teachers work for more days they get paid more so even if taxpayers pay more, they're paying for better education and improving the lives of teachers.

Forcing students to intensify there work and allowing them a shorter period of time to complete their work in fact makes more stress. they will thus be put into more misery. Assuming families are relaxed over the summer cannot always hold true. Most parents still work in the summer and will have to work more since they must cut into their work time to take care of their children.

the intensity of work will couse students to go rough rather than round, teachers will have lower pay and will be less able to support their families, it is psycologically more pleasing to a student's eye if he/she know that he/she has more time to understand and grasp concepts, reducing their stress. Thus providing less time for students to complete their work worsens the mental health of kids.
Debate Round No. 3


dtr forfeited this round.


I have nothing to refute.
Debate Round No. 4


dtr forfeited this round.


nothing to refute
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Preston 7 years ago
I don't care when school ends, im graduating early :p
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