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Rap/Poetry Battle: Secular/Atheist versus Christian

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Started: 7/1/2014 Category: Entertainment
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Pro = Christian
Con = Atheist/Secularist/Agnostic

1st Round Acceptance.

Debate Round No. 1


Hey everyone it's Mikal versus Jasper
Neither of us are gonna use the terms Mistress or Mister
Mikal be like "bring it on" and Jasper says 'don't be sinister'
Even though I'm a girl I got sense, I put it in to words--you got a whole twister.

This is the story of a person I know real well
I'm not famous but I aim to be pretty swell
Don't mind my yell
Because the words got a message with a heart-ringin' bell.

Yo...I lay in bed, my body covered with yarn and a sheet
Trying hard to think but all my thoughts are incomplete
I look out the window, I see a person and I hear my heart beat
The night is dark, can't see much but a shadow and some feet.

Nobody hears me scream
In my grave it's all serene
Life is just my conscience and me
But since it's over it's Hell or Heaven in eternity...
...let it be...cuz
the only thing that's workin' is if I let life control me

I remember a time when my boyfriend looked me in the eye
He asked me "are you going to be with Jesus when you die?"
I thought I knew the answer but I didn't reply
'Mnot one for talking, I was always kinda shy.
Then it happened--inexplicable--my arms started flappin, I thought I was high
My boyfriend said "What's your goal: earthly items or treasure in the sky?"
"I don't know right now, I don't care," I tried to imply
But he started praying for me and then I gave up on my lie.

She said something like 'the Holy Spirit's gonna rip you apart
You gonna cry like a baby, cuz God knows who you are at heart'
Weak or strong, I realized, tall or short
God can transform your life and make into a piece of art.

I always thought "get baptized, be good, the rest'll follow through'
But that's impossible in this sinful world: Me, get a clue!
The only truth or path or light is in Christ who died for you.
And without it you gonna fail when the Judgment Seat comes for you.

So follow His example, walk in the purposeful footsteps
Remember that your journey could end abruptly dudes and dudettes
No matter how good your life is now, tomorrow is diff'rent, non-knows how or yet
No matter your money, kiss it goodbye
Cuz it be gone when your death is set

Now's the time
Make your decision, don't choose the slime
You can go downhill or live life in sublime
God's creation is ubiquitous (which I'll define)

Don't wanna waste your life on crappy objects
Listen to your heart, not yourself, not your conscience
Be happy about your strengths, don't look down upon your weaknesses...

God's got a special plan for you
Don't look so sad and hateful and blue
With God's Army we'll all fight with and for you.
Ubiquitous means everywhere and always--cue--
...God knows someone who needs ubiquitous love


Ima break the trend from my previous battles and take this sht to a serious level
This girl is trying to convince us that God exists, hell she even believes in the devil
Explain to me why we should believe in something with no evidence to back up its claims
The only evidence for a God is circumstantial, and if you believe that sht you should be ashamed

Belief in a deity is some medevil sht, and we should have outgrew that type of faith years ago
Let me explain why science has all the answers, and hell ima even do it using some flow
In ages past people had never heard of the big bang, and they even thought that the earth was flat
As science progressed these beliefs were brought in the true light, and everyone acknowledged that.

Now we know a cosmic explosion was the start of everything and the reason that all life exists.
That is one answer science gave us , and that is just one answer on an endless list
We now know that the earth round and for all practical reasons we accept that is true
We also know the earth is older than 6 thousand years,so are you starting to see what science can do

The catholic church used to kill people for preaching the earth was flat and they discarded evolution
Now even the pope believes in evolution and the rest of the churches beliefs are in question, it literally is dilution
So when you look at it practically the church is making the scripture adapt to science, in some forms that is pollution
There is a practical way to solve all this and that is cut out the middle ground and just turn to science as a solution

Christ didn't die for me, hell he never even was the son of God
This stuff this girl is preaching is almost a crime in science, its literally fraud
If you commit your lives to God "you wont waste them", is what shes trying to preach
Living your life how you want should be encouraged , do anything that is morally permissible and within reach

The bible teaches us to follow a tyrant, and live by faith alone
I live by facts, truth , and evidence, I will never worship someone on an invisible throne.
God never came to earth to die for our sins for that he would have to exist
My advice is live life how you want without fear of someone non existent plot twist.
Debate Round No. 2


Why accuse Christianity when it has no shame?
A God who does miracles and we need back up claims?
There's a lot of proof for which I aim: erosions from the Flood, empty tombs, and DNA
But Ima tell Mikal that he's wrong and he'll pay.

The definition of medieval happens to be much more than you think
It's not Christianity that rules 1/3 of America's population, it's God, so let is sink
We have a relationship with our Creator who designed us in a blink
You believe that a BANG happened which formed something out of nothing with a BA-KINK.

Sometimes your childhood is where you look rather than science class in school
You remember when your parents read you books at bed and took you to the pool?
Well some of those fairy tales they read inspired you later on in life
And in the pool you didn't drown cause you had instructions which were precise
Why do people shame you cause of beliefs that a book with guidelines is the truth?

But looking at the Catholics who killed is irrelevant to this matter
The modern day Catholics think you're wrong but they don't murder
When evolutionists say there's evidence but "can't think of any at the hour"
You see right through them and know it's a case beyond desire.

I'd like to say a thing on my linguistic strings and on your behalf
Myself and your foolish words make me laugh
Me because I'm inexperienced yet proud like a new-born calf
And you because there's no proof to say those things, from the floor up to the shaft.

You're trying to win cuz you think you know it all
You act like you know everything, like it's all an elegant easy ball
But you don't know the truth (OK, it is hard to find and small)
Studying the only true Word would lead you to find the God that's trying to call.

You know, acts in this life come down to nothing
It's all about your choice, not the earthly things
I used to think everything happened for no reason
But now to me there's a difference between judgment and treason

There's hope in a salvation
Jesus Christ's a whole new condensation
He's a man who had a horrible abjection
But to live for HIM is an easy adaptation that's because
Livin for Him is better than living for abomination.

Yes I believe that the Devil is real but what does this have to do with the crap religion gives out?
I believe there's more to life than DDO, impressing, partying with shouts
The Devil tries to bring down, make you fail, destroy you now
I'm not a coward, Jesus gives me a blessing and I keep sharing God's Word and flow'rs.

I'm saying, I'm not preaching
That you waste your 80 years when at the end your thinking,
"What's that I hear in my heart? What's that scientists are figuring?
Evolution is wrong??! My entire life was a failure with some bling!"

I hope my opponent realizes that Jesus never fails either
I hope my opponent knows that I"m a die-hard, ready connoisseur
Let"s pray that my opponent goes to Jesus so he doesn"t become a saboteur.
With that, I"ve concluded Round 2 with much mixed feelings and pleasure!


A god who does miracles, that entire premise is all a matter of perception
People often are responsible for their own "miracles" in almost every exception
They heal themselves with their minds, the idea of god intervening is just deception
It's like their stuck inside of a dream inside of a dream, kind of like inception

As you noted Christianity and God are not the same thing
God doesn't rule america, religion does and it stings
religion can do good sometimes, but often brings about war and hate
This is proven throughout all of history, hatred is all it creates

It's a catalyst for bad people to justify the bad acts they commit
They do it in the name of a "god", and they will never quit
You can justify anything with religion, that is a proven fact
The crusades are just one example of how people should not act

Even Hitler justified his acts in accordance with Christianity and doing Gods work
Hell he even wrote about it in mein kampf[1], he killed hundreds and thousands of jews with a smirk
Gotts Mit Uns or God be with us was engraved on their belt buckles[2] that should make you jerk
Hitler thought he was doing the work of god, and the only thing Christianity did was give him a reason to be berserk.

You cant dismiss the past and all the harm Christianity has caused.
Literally your saying to dismiss history and just put it on pause
History has a strange way of repeating itself is something we often hear.
That is a proven fact, and the only way to stop it is to make religion disappear

Christianity is literally blinding half our nation and teaching people false facts
If we still listened to you guys , we would be killing cattle in the name of a God and think the earth if flat
You appeal for a 6 thousand year old earth to be taught in science class rooms
In all honesty the only people that would even believe that are flat buffoons.

Science has taught us why we exist, how we exist, and even how the universe operates
Science has disproved religion countless times, they will never cooperate
We know about the big bang, evolution, and even when the universe began
The bible teaches you that God did all this with his just his one hand

Now I know you guys would be disappointed if I actually didn't rap
So lets roll this back to my normal style and give this btch a slap
Saying salvation is they key is a blatant load of crap
salvation is all in your mind, its like a mental fap

I can't show respect for a guy that never existed from every logical point of few
According to the bible he sent him self to die for the sin that he originally fking condemned us too
So to save us from our sin we metaphorically drink wine and break bread and pretend its body
Literally that is more fuked up than when the twin towers went down thanks to saudi

This is blatant disrespect to Christ because he is a tyrannic btch.
He lets children starve and doesn't blink, and does it without a hitch
People pray for the starving children and those suffering around the world
the only answer they get back is "its god will", that sht makes me hurl

Tell a little girl her Dad died because It was in God's will for her life
If that sht was actually true, id fking stab God with a knife
Thank God its all in peoples mind and he doesn't rule with a iron fist
Would you rather worship a tyrant, or worship someone that doesnt exist.

Either way you lose, because you have to admit he does not exist or is just a dik
If you admit he lets thousands of people die because its his will, it just proves he a prick
If you want to worship that kind of person, you can keep your own fuking faith
Id'd rather do whatever the hell I want, I write my own goddamn fate

I have ill will so im going to kill religion and do it because its a thrill
Fufill my promise to make God pay, pretend that shts a bill
Grill and drill everything that Christianity teaches, call it my fuking skill
I'm going to pop the cap right off the sht, just like I was poppin pills

Middle finger to heaven , If it existed all these prayes would not go ignored
Fuking sword straight to God as angels sing in accord as his body hits the floor
re invite heaven just like we did with cars, pretend im the new henry ford
Anyone could do a better job, all we have to do is keep moving forward

Ending this round with just a lesson about common sense
If you believe in someone without facts, then you are fuking dense
Accept reason and logic, and don't be blinded from the truth
Literally live your life how you will, don't give up your youth.

[1] Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
Debate Round No. 3


This is what I've been trying to show and tell you
Hitler may have killed but that's because of his religion, not the words on his shoes
Because God wasn't with him, Hitler had that written so we'd be fooled
Like now, when you're trying to blame God that He was the reason the Jews were killed and sued.

Look at your best friend and tell me if you know him well
Do you believe in him? If you admire him too, than HE'S a religion in a shell
But do you know him? Then you have a relationship with him too
Just because it's both doesn't mean it's a faith to be kept in a museum or a zoo.

Dismiss history and put it on pause, you type with no original words?
That's not what I'M doing, I'M a believer in Jesus Christ and the Word
100% believe in that book and I know it's ancient but I'm still sure
Because it's more than a religion and the pastime it brings, no, it's a relationship with our Creator--I'm not a nerd.

Science has told us everything, you say as you push up your glasses,
So I ask why do we exist again? What's your answer you get from childhood science classes?
Science never disproved my relationship, all Richard Dawkins can call it are hallucinations
But what does he know when his only friend is the science book and Debate Nation?

Everybody knows it, that, Mikal your cussing and swearing aint helping
You say I don't exist...what kind of claim is that, are you sad and sulking?
Let's give him a push and bring him back before he's eating his words and choking
I want to give him a chance to try this relationship whether he's tough or admitting.

You may not think God is real I'd say that in fact you may think He's myth, without doubt
But it's hard to ignore His creations and the parades of miracle stories people shout
Tell me what you'd do if you saw some street guys praying while you were walking about
Would you be tough, ignore; would you admit, and explore; would you cuss to them while from Heaven, fire pours out?

Pray this prayer if you wanna seek and try this religion/relationship
You think it's just for crazy religious old ladies but it's actually for the hip
Lecrae, TobyMac, and Trip Lee all have a story that you should hear
After you ask Jesus into your heart go to the bar and share God's word there--without a beer!

'God, I just want you to know...I'm heartbroken for what this world's got to show
You should be angry, I've done so much to make you hurt...drugs I've had, cigars I've blown
My life has been disastrous starting at the beginning, You're the only place I can go to though You I don't know
Please, take this life and let it be all for you so we can all be pleased, my heart balanced so.

But that's not it, God, just know that I'm not that good at listening, I doubt, and I'm sinful
I just want to trust you and to know why so many people turn to you with their mouthful
What's the reason there's evidence for creation and your Flood and our DNA did not evolve full?
So I accept you, just this time, so you can lead me where you want: get me spirit-filled.'

Mikal, pray this whole-heartedly, please don't coward away from a simple relationship, yeah
I think you're OK at rapping, imagine what'd happen if you were rapping for God's name
I'll be praying for you and your life and your friendships, but your heart is where I'll aim
Cuz I want change, and God wants YOU to be transformed so everybody will say "Mikal's not the same!"


Now here is the irony about calling one person a christian and someone else a liar
The bible warns about judging others, that is putting them lower and making yourself higher
Who are you to say that someone is not saved, that is blatantly ignoring the teachings you read
Literally that would make you a hypocrite so why preach that you have been freed

Anyone can sin that is the purpose of salvation and Christ dying on the cross
The fact your saying one person isn't saved could prove that you may still be lost
You can never prove Hitler or anyone for that matter was not saved
The entire essence of salvation is subjective to the individual, that should be engraved

Science has taught us everything we know thus far, that is a proven fact
We all exist to live and to die, do we really need more of a reason than that
Your relationship with Christ can be real to you, that much I have to admit
But anyone can have a relationship with anything, it just shows the degree of you wit

Now don't get my wrong, one of my best friends is a Christian and he is actually cool
The difference is he admits the bible is a metaphor, and that believing it literally is for fools
He serves the lord, and lives his life without shoving the gospel down my throat
If every christian lived like that i would not have an issue with it, but most like to gloat

They think their salvation makes them better than the people around them
Like they have been chosen for heaven and the rest are condemned
What's worse than that is they feel the need to shove their beliefs on other people
Have you ever heard of blue laws, I can't even drink a beer on Sundays because of how people pray under a steeple.

If they treated it like a toy they wanted to play with, I would have no issue with that
The fact is though they want others to play with it to, and that is really wack
I don't want to play with their toy, it's something I have no desire to touch or even want to see
So if they kept it to themselves, we may actually be able to agree

Evidence for creation?, what is this junk that your trying to spit
Creation tells us the universe is 6 k years old, that doesn't quit fit
Because of the CMBR we know the universe is billions of years old, that is a proven fact
If you actually believe God made it in 6 days, then there is no way to reason with that

We can observe how long it took the radiation to cool and by that we can tell how old the universal actually is
This is stuff that should be taught in kindergarten, and what should be seen on a second grade quiz
The fact adults don't believe this, just shows how blind people actually are
The truth is right in front of them, all you have to do is look up to the stars

Dating, aging, and all these methods show us that the bible is wrong
The only way you could even debate if its true, is say its a metaphor and even that is not that strong
The choice is simple, you can either chose facts or you can chose a man on a invisible throne
Whether or not you chose to believe in facts doesn't change that their true, it is set in stone

rap -

I will never rap for God, If anything I wish I could kill that btch
It doesn't even matter if he doesn't exist I 'll still give him a stitch
Go leagues of legends and ult his azz, pretend im twitch
Put in a cheat code and glitch, put him in a ditch and then turn off the switch

If that doesn't work drag his azz to shed
Just like i said this is leagues and i Just got fed
Pretend Im zed, i was bread to to behead
Pop that Death Mark, that is true dread [1]

Yeah God just bled, it was just like I said
Pull the fibers out of the universe, just like it was a thread
That blood is dripping, you know the color is red
Just like Jesus I killed him, God himself is dead

Now a new God will arise need that even be said
Fukign try me, I dare you , please go ahead
Pretend this is a church service and break his body like bread
this isn't something to gamble on, i'm to high just like the spread

Its obvious this battle is over and the victor is quite clear
Pop a beer and cheer, just like its part of the new year
Go luffy on him and flip it to second gear. [2]
#how to kill gpd and do it with a leer

Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Sagey 7 years ago
BTW: When you two get your rap battle recorded, where can I buy the CD.
Posted by Sagey 7 years ago
How can anybody judge grammar in a rap battle?
Rules often need to be broken to get the Rhyme and Rhythm.
Posted by 9spaceking 7 years ago
JFS gonna lose.
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Reasons for voting decision: The title is discordant. Pro's first 2 paragraphs read like a nursery rhyme: poetic lyrics vs. rap lyrics are incompatible--the tones are different. Even if you weren't going up against Con, and say, Adam2, you'd still lose. Your last round was harder, as if written by a third party (not alleging it was, just the tone completely changed). There are many other reasons why Pro will not come out ahead in this debate. For future reference Pro, stick to "Poetry Competitions" and do not merge the "rap theme" into it because any lyricist Adam2 grade or higher you will not beat. In a Poetic challenge you have formidable skills. Here all you did was thematically sliced your own wrist, gave Con the knife to slice your other one but instead he lyrically cut your whole head off. {In rap battles I only give source points to recorded lyrics.}
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Reasons for voting decision: Couldn't work out if Pro's first rap was a twisted love song or not, they got extra twisted after that, even had Jesus Christ becoming Dew (condensation). but I lost track of any overall tale, Con's was more easily followed. Though Con's were a little more on the crude side, giving Pro a conduct point. Con provided sources, though I wonder what sources do in a Rap battle? I couldn't judge grammar as no grammar rules exist in rap. all had rhyming couplets, well, sort of, at least they tried hard. Cons were just easier to follow, Pro's rap kept running off in too many tangents, losing the message.
Vote Placed by GodChoosesLife 7 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Impressive rapping debate!! Good job!! Con incorporated sources for the sake of his argument so he gets the 3 points while I don't mean to knit-pick, but con had a couple of spelling errors so pro gets the points..
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Reasons for voting decision: I'd like to start by commending both sides, this was a well-fought battle! The length of raps was also impressive. In terms of arguments, there are three elements at play. 1 - Continuity of rhyme schemes. In terms of flow, Con came out on top. There were smoother transitions and nearly every bar rhymed. 2 - Impact. In terms of actual disses, Con takes this. While Pro spent a good time defending Christianity whereas Con spent a majority of his time on the offense. 3 - Personal conviction. This actually goes to Pro. I personally felt that Pro was trying his hardest to uphold his religion against the face of opposition. On the flip side, Con wasn't really defending his stance but rather attacking the other. Sure, there are bars where Pro takes the offense and Con takes the defense, but in general, I felt that Pro was more emotionally connected to defending something he believes in. With it being 2 - 1, Con takes arguments. Sources - Con utilized sources, whereas Pro never used any.

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