Rap/Poetry Battle: Secular/Atheist versus Christian
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after 4 votes the winner is...
Mikal
Voting Style: | Open | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
Started: | 7/1/2014 | Category: | Entertainment | ||
Updated: | 7 years ago | Status: | Post Voting Period | ||
Viewed: | 1,460 times | Debate No: | 58433 |
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Pro = Christian
Con = Atheist/Secularist/Agnostic 1st Round Acceptance. LET THE RAPPING BEGIN!
i accept |
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Hey everyone it's Mikal versus Jasper
Neither of us are gonna use the terms Mistress or Mister Mikal be like "bring it on" and Jasper says 'don't be sinister' Even though I'm a girl I got sense, I put it in to words--you got a whole twister. This is the story of a person I know real well I'm not famous but I aim to be pretty swell Don't mind my yell Because the words got a message with a heart-ringin' bell. Yo...I lay in bed, my body covered with yarn and a sheet Trying hard to think but all my thoughts are incomplete I look out the window, I see a person and I hear my heart beat The night is dark, can't see much but a shadow and some feet. Nobody hears me scream In my grave it's all serene Life is just my conscience and me But since it's over it's Hell or Heaven in eternity... ...let it be...cuz the only thing that's workin' is if I let life control me I remember a time when my boyfriend looked me in the eye He asked me "are you going to be with Jesus when you die?" I thought I knew the answer but I didn't reply 'Mnot one for talking, I was always kinda shy. Then it happened--inexplicable--my arms started flappin, I thought I was high My boyfriend said "What's your goal: earthly items or treasure in the sky?" "I don't know right now, I don't care," I tried to imply But he started praying for me and then I gave up on my lie. She said something like 'the Holy Spirit's gonna rip you apart You gonna cry like a baby, cuz God knows who you are at heart' Weak or strong, I realized, tall or short God can transform your life and make into a piece of art. I always thought "get baptized, be good, the rest'll follow through' But that's impossible in this sinful world: Me, get a clue! The only truth or path or light is in Christ who died for you. And without it you gonna fail when the Judgment Seat comes for you. So follow His example, walk in the purposeful footsteps Remember that your journey could end abruptly dudes and dudettes No matter how good your life is now, tomorrow is diff'rent, non-knows how or yet No matter your money, kiss it goodbye Cuz it be gone when your death is set Now's the time Make your decision, don't choose the slime You can go downhill or live life in sublime God's creation is ubiquitous (which I'll define) Don't wanna waste your life on crappy objects Listen to your heart, not yourself, not your conscience Be happy about your strengths, don't look down upon your weaknesses... God's got a special plan for you Don't look so sad and hateful and blue With God's Army we'll all fight with and for you. Ubiquitous means everywhere and always--cue-- ...God knows someone who needs ubiquitous love THAT'S YOU.
Ima break the trend from my previous battles and take this sht to a serious level This girl is trying to convince us that God exists, hell she even believes in the devil Explain to me why we should believe in something with no evidence to back up its claims The only evidence for a God is circumstantial, and if you believe that sht you should be ashamed Belief in a deity is some medevil sht, and we should have outgrew that type of faith years ago Let me explain why science has all the answers, and hell ima even do it using some flow In ages past people had never heard of the big bang, and they even thought that the earth was flat As science progressed these beliefs were brought in the true light, and everyone acknowledged that. Now we know a cosmic explosion was the start of everything and the reason that all life exists. That is one answer science gave us , and that is just one answer on an endless list We now know that the earth round and for all practical reasons we accept that is true We also know the earth is older than 6 thousand years,so are you starting to see what science can do The catholic church used to kill people for preaching the earth was flat and they discarded evolution Now even the pope believes in evolution and the rest of the churches beliefs are in question, it literally is dilution So when you look at it practically the church is making the scripture adapt to science, in some forms that is pollution There is a practical way to solve all this and that is cut out the middle ground and just turn to science as a solution Christ didn't die for me, hell he never even was the son of God This stuff this girl is preaching is almost a crime in science, its literally fraud If you commit your lives to God "you wont waste them", is what shes trying to preach Living your life how you want should be encouraged , do anything that is morally permissible and within reach The bible teaches us to follow a tyrant, and live by faith alone I live by facts, truth , and evidence, I will never worship someone on an invisible throne. God never came to earth to die for our sins for that he would have to exist My advice is live life how you want without fear of someone non existent plot twist. |
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Why accuse Christianity when it has no shame?
A God who does miracles and we need back up claims? There's a lot of proof for which I aim: erosions from the Flood, empty tombs, and DNA But Ima tell Mikal that he's wrong and he'll pay. The definition of medieval happens to be much more than you think It's not Christianity that rules 1/3 of America's population, it's God, so let is sink We have a relationship with our Creator who designed us in a blink You believe that a BANG happened which formed something out of nothing with a BA-KINK. Sometimes your childhood is where you look rather than science class in school You remember when your parents read you books at bed and took you to the pool? Well some of those fairy tales they read inspired you later on in life And in the pool you didn't drown cause you had instructions which were precise Why do people shame you cause of beliefs that a book with guidelines is the truth? But looking at the Catholics who killed is irrelevant to this matter The modern day Catholics think you're wrong but they don't murder When evolutionists say there's evidence but "can't think of any at the hour" You see right through them and know it's a case beyond desire. I'd like to say a thing on my linguistic strings and on your behalf Myself and your foolish words make me laugh Me because I'm inexperienced yet proud like a new-born calf And you because there's no proof to say those things, from the floor up to the shaft. You're trying to win cuz you think you know it all You act like you know everything, like it's all an elegant easy ball But you don't know the truth (OK, it is hard to find and small) Studying the only true Word would lead you to find the God that's trying to call. You know, acts in this life come down to nothing It's all about your choice, not the earthly things I used to think everything happened for no reason But now to me there's a difference between judgment and treason There's hope in a salvation Jesus Christ's a whole new condensation He's a man who had a horrible abjection But to live for HIM is an easy adaptation that's because Livin for Him is better than living for abomination. Yes I believe that the Devil is real but what does this have to do with the crap religion gives out? I believe there's more to life than DDO, impressing, partying with shouts The Devil tries to bring down, make you fail, destroy you now I'm not a coward, Jesus gives me a blessing and I keep sharing God's Word and flow'rs. I'm saying, I'm not preaching That you waste your 80 years when at the end your thinking, "What's that I hear in my heart? What's that scientists are figuring? Evolution is wrong??! My entire life was a failure with some bling!" I hope my opponent realizes that Jesus never fails either I hope my opponent knows that I"m a die-hard, ready connoisseur Let"s pray that my opponent goes to Jesus so he doesn"t become a saboteur. With that, I"ve concluded Round 2 with much mixed feelings and pleasure!
A god who does miracles, that entire premise is all a matter of perception People often are responsible for their own "miracles" in almost every exception They heal themselves with their minds, the idea of god intervening is just deception It's like their stuck inside of a dream inside of a dream, kind of like inception As you noted Christianity and God are not the same thing God doesn't rule america, religion does and it stings religion can do good sometimes, but often brings about war and hate This is proven throughout all of history, hatred is all it creates It's a catalyst for bad people to justify the bad acts they commit They do it in the name of a "god", and they will never quit You can justify anything with religion, that is a proven fact The crusades are just one example of how people should not act Even Hitler justified his acts in accordance with Christianity and doing Gods work Hell he even wrote about it in mein kampf[1], he killed hundreds and thousands of jews with a smirk Gotts Mit Uns or God be with us was engraved on their belt buckles[2] that should make you jerk Hitler thought he was doing the work of god, and the only thing Christianity did was give him a reason to be berserk. You cant dismiss the past and all the harm Christianity has caused. Literally your saying to dismiss history and just put it on pause History has a strange way of repeating itself is something we often hear. That is a proven fact, and the only way to stop it is to make religion disappear Christianity is literally blinding half our nation and teaching people false facts If we still listened to you guys , we would be killing cattle in the name of a God and think the earth if flat You appeal for a 6 thousand year old earth to be taught in science class rooms In all honesty the only people that would even believe that are flat buffoons. Science has taught us why we exist, how we exist, and even how the universe operates Science has disproved religion countless times, they will never cooperate We know about the big bang, evolution, and even when the universe began The bible teaches you that God did all this with his just his one hand Now I know you guys would be disappointed if I actually didn't rap So lets roll this back to my normal style and give this btch a slap Saying salvation is they key is a blatant load of crap salvation is all in your mind, its like a mental fap I can't show respect for a guy that never existed from every logical point of few According to the bible he sent him self to die for the sin that he originally fking condemned us too So to save us from our sin we metaphorically drink wine and break bread and pretend its body Literally that is more fuked up than when the twin towers went down thanks to saudi This is blatant disrespect to Christ because he is a tyrannic btch. He lets children starve and doesn't blink, and does it without a hitch People pray for the starving children and those suffering around the world the only answer they get back is "its god will", that sht makes me hurl Tell a little girl her Dad died because It was in God's will for her life If that sht was actually true, id fking stab God with a knife Thank God its all in peoples mind and he doesn't rule with a iron fist Would you rather worship a tyrant, or worship someone that doesnt exist. Either way you lose, because you have to admit he does not exist or is just a dik If you admit he lets thousands of people die because its his will, it just proves he a prick If you want to worship that kind of person, you can keep your own fuking faith Id'd rather do whatever the hell I want, I write my own goddamn fate I have ill will so im going to kill religion and do it because its a thrill Fufill my promise to make God pay, pretend that shts a bill Grill and drill everything that Christianity teaches, call it my fuking skill I'm going to pop the cap right off the sht, just like I was poppin pills Middle finger to heaven , If it existed all these prayes would not go ignored Fuking sword straight to God as angels sing in accord as his body hits the floor re invite heaven just like we did with cars, pretend im the new henry ford Anyone could do a better job, all we have to do is keep moving forward Ending this round with just a lesson about common sense If you believe in someone without facts, then you are fuking dense Accept reason and logic, and don't be blinded from the truth Literally live your life how you will, don't give up your youth. [1] Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2 [2] http://www.ebaumsworld.com... |
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This is what I've been trying to show and tell you
Hitler may have killed but that's because of his religion, not the words on his shoes Because God wasn't with him, Hitler had that written so we'd be fooled Like now, when you're trying to blame God that He was the reason the Jews were killed and sued. Look at your best friend and tell me if you know him well Do you believe in him? If you admire him too, than HE'S a religion in a shell But do you know him? Then you have a relationship with him too Just because it's both doesn't mean it's a faith to be kept in a museum or a zoo. Dismiss history and put it on pause, you type with no original words? That's not what I'M doing, I'M a believer in Jesus Christ and the Word 100% believe in that book and I know it's ancient but I'm still sure Because it's more than a religion and the pastime it brings, no, it's a relationship with our Creator--I'm not a nerd. Science has told us everything, you say as you push up your glasses, So I ask why do we exist again? What's your answer you get from childhood science classes? Science never disproved my relationship, all Richard Dawkins can call it are hallucinations But what does he know when his only friend is the science book and Debate Nation? Everybody knows it, that, Mikal your cussing and swearing aint helping You say I don't exist...what kind of claim is that, are you sad and sulking? Let's give him a push and bring him back before he's eating his words and choking I want to give him a chance to try this relationship whether he's tough or admitting. You may not think God is real I'd say that in fact you may think He's myth, without doubt But it's hard to ignore His creations and the parades of miracle stories people shout Tell me what you'd do if you saw some street guys praying while you were walking about Would you be tough, ignore; would you admit, and explore; would you cuss to them while from Heaven, fire pours out? Pray this prayer if you wanna seek and try this religion/relationship You think it's just for crazy religious old ladies but it's actually for the hip Lecrae, TobyMac, and Trip Lee all have a story that you should hear After you ask Jesus into your heart go to the bar and share God's word there--without a beer! 'God, I just want you to know...I'm heartbroken for what this world's got to show You should be angry, I've done so much to make you hurt...drugs I've had, cigars I've blown My life has been disastrous starting at the beginning, You're the only place I can go to though You I don't know Please, take this life and let it be all for you so we can all be pleased, my heart balanced so. But that's not it, God, just know that I'm not that good at listening, I doubt, and I'm sinful I just want to trust you and to know why so many people turn to you with their mouthful What's the reason there's evidence for creation and your Flood and our DNA did not evolve full? So I accept you, just this time, so you can lead me where you want: get me spirit-filled.' Mikal, pray this whole-heartedly, please don't coward away from a simple relationship, yeah I think you're OK at rapping, imagine what'd happen if you were rapping for God's name I'll be praying for you and your life and your friendships, but your heart is where I'll aim Cuz I want change, and God wants YOU to be transformed so everybody will say "Mikal's not the same!"
Now here is the irony about calling one person a christian and someone else a liar The bible warns about judging others, that is putting them lower and making yourself higher Who are you to say that someone is not saved, that is blatantly ignoring the teachings you read Literally that would make you a hypocrite so why preach that you have been freed Anyone can sin that is the purpose of salvation and Christ dying on the cross The fact your saying one person isn't saved could prove that you may still be lost You can never prove Hitler or anyone for that matter was not saved The entire essence of salvation is subjective to the individual, that should be engraved Science has taught us everything we know thus far, that is a proven fact We all exist to live and to die, do we really need more of a reason than that Your relationship with Christ can be real to you, that much I have to admit But anyone can have a relationship with anything, it just shows the degree of you wit Now don't get my wrong, one of my best friends is a Christian and he is actually cool The difference is he admits the bible is a metaphor, and that believing it literally is for fools He serves the lord, and lives his life without shoving the gospel down my throat If every christian lived like that i would not have an issue with it, but most like to gloat They think their salvation makes them better than the people around them Like they have been chosen for heaven and the rest are condemned What's worse than that is they feel the need to shove their beliefs on other people Have you ever heard of blue laws, I can't even drink a beer on Sundays because of how people pray under a steeple. If they treated it like a toy they wanted to play with, I would have no issue with that The fact is though they want others to play with it to, and that is really wack I don't want to play with their toy, it's something I have no desire to touch or even want to see So if they kept it to themselves, we may actually be able to agree Evidence for creation?, what is this junk that your trying to spit Creation tells us the universe is 6 k years old, that doesn't quit fit Because of the CMBR we know the universe is billions of years old, that is a proven fact If you actually believe God made it in 6 days, then there is no way to reason with that We can observe how long it took the radiation to cool and by that we can tell how old the universal actually is This is stuff that should be taught in kindergarten, and what should be seen on a second grade quiz The fact adults don't believe this, just shows how blind people actually are The truth is right in front of them, all you have to do is look up to the stars Dating, aging, and all these methods show us that the bible is wrong The only way you could even debate if its true, is say its a metaphor and even that is not that strong The choice is simple, you can either chose facts or you can chose a man on a invisible throne Whether or not you chose to believe in facts doesn't change that their true, it is set in stone rap - I will never rap for God, If anything I wish I could kill that btch It doesn't even matter if he doesn't exist I 'll still give him a stitch Go leagues of legends and ult his azz, pretend im twitch Put in a cheat code and glitch, put him in a ditch and then turn off the switch If that doesn't work drag his azz to shed Just like i said this is leagues and i Just got fed Pretend Im zed, i was bread to to behead Pop that Death Mark, that is true dread [1] Yeah God just bled, it was just like I said Pull the fibers out of the universe, just like it was a thread That blood is dripping, you know the color is red Just like Jesus I killed him, God himself is dead Now a new God will arise need that even be said Fukign try me, I dare you , please go ahead Pretend this is a church service and break his body like bread this isn't something to gamble on, i'm to high just like the spread Its obvious this battle is over and the victor is quite clear Pop a beer and cheer, just like its part of the new year Go luffy on him and flip it to second gear. [2] #how to kill gpd and do it with a leer [1] http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com... [2] http://onepiece.wikia.com... |
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Vote Placed by ShadowKingStudios 7 years ago
JasperFrancisShickadance | Mikal | Tied | ||
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Total points awarded: | 1 | 3 |
Reasons for voting decision: The title is discordant. Pro's first 2 paragraphs read like a nursery rhyme: poetic lyrics vs. rap lyrics are incompatible--the tones are different. Even if you weren't going up against Con, and say, Adam2, you'd still lose. Your last round was harder, as if written by a third party (not alleging it was, just the tone completely changed). There are many other reasons why Pro will not come out ahead in this debate. For future reference Pro, stick to "Poetry Competitions" and do not merge the "rap theme" into it because any lyricist Adam2 grade or higher you will not beat. In a Poetic challenge you have formidable skills. Here all you did was thematically sliced your own wrist, gave Con the knife to slice your other one but instead he lyrically cut your whole head off. {In rap battles I only give source points to recorded lyrics.}
Vote Placed by Sagey 7 years ago
JasperFrancisShickadance | Mikal | Tied | ||
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Total points awarded: | 1 | 5 |
Reasons for voting decision: Couldn't work out if Pro's first rap was a twisted love song or not, they got extra twisted after that, even had Jesus Christ becoming Dew (condensation). but I lost track of any overall tale, Con's was more easily followed. Though Con's were a little more on the crude side, giving Pro a conduct point. Con provided sources, though I wonder what sources do in a Rap battle? I couldn't judge grammar as no grammar rules exist in rap. all had rhyming couplets, well, sort of, at least they tried hard.
Cons were just easier to follow, Pro's rap kept running off in too many tangents, losing the message.
Vote Placed by GodChoosesLife 7 years ago
JasperFrancisShickadance | Mikal | Tied | ||
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Total points awarded: | 1 | 2 |
Reasons for voting decision: Impressive rapping debate!! Good job!! Con incorporated sources for the sake of his argument so he gets the 3 points while I don't mean to knit-pick, but con had a couple of spelling errors so pro gets the points..
Vote Placed by Blade-of-Truth 7 years ago
JasperFrancisShickadance | Mikal | Tied | ||
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Total points awarded: | 0 | 5 |
Reasons for voting decision: I'd like to start by commending both sides, this was a well-fought battle! The length of raps was also impressive. In terms of arguments, there are three elements at play. 1 - Continuity of rhyme schemes. In terms of flow, Con came out on top. There were smoother transitions and nearly every bar rhymed. 2 - Impact. In terms of actual disses, Con takes this. While Pro spent a good time defending Christianity whereas Con spent a majority of his time on the offense. 3 - Personal conviction. This actually goes to Pro. I personally felt that Pro was trying his hardest to uphold his religion against the face of opposition. On the flip side, Con wasn't really defending his stance but rather attacking the other. Sure, there are bars where Pro takes the offense and Con takes the defense, but in general, I felt that Pro was more emotionally connected to defending something he believes in. With it being 2 - 1, Con takes arguments. Sources - Con utilized sources, whereas Pro never used any.
:-D~
Rules often need to be broken to get the Rhyme and Rhythm.