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Reasons for accepting atheism and not the god according to the bible inwhich nobody can prove exists

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backwardseden

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Reasons for accepting atheism and not the god according to the bible in which nobody can prove even exists...
First for all of those who don't know what "atheism" is. in which nearly 100% of the population on planet earth doesn't, it is simply by the very definition of the dictionary "1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings." DO NOT TURN IT INTO ANYTHING ELSE.

Now here's why you should NOT ACCEPT GOD and instead accept atheism. And if you have even the slightest inkling of doubt as to your belief in god(s), then you ARE an atheist.
* You will have free will. If you believe in god you have NO FREE WILL. NONE. PERIOD. These videos will prove it. But christians are absolutely famous for completely ignoring rock solid evidence.
http://www.youtube.com... - All Knowing god versus Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction
http://www.youtube.com... - Free Will With god
http://www.youtube.com... - god Favors Evil
http://www.youtube.com... - god allows Free Will?
Also you show me anywhere in the bible where it says something to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants man free will" Its doesn"t say it anywhere. Also threatening people with death such as a couple of the 10 commandments, adultery, breaking the sabbath, blaspheme, that"s taking free will away. And if god is god, he knows exactly what you will be doing trillions of years before you will be doing it. You are a programmed robot. That"s not free will. You have no free will believing in god. NONE.
* Suffering, horrific pain and torture exists occurs throughout the bible. god is the absolute 100% cause of it otherwise god is not god. And even worse is he gives this knowing suffering horrific pain to children which can only mean two things that god is pure evil and hate as proved in the verses and quotes below. Now the thing about children is, is WHY? Other than god must love it and is a pure sadist otherwise he would not create it. Even worse is children do not understand suffering at all. They can only say unto themselves as a horrific example when daddy is sticking his you know what inside of them while punching them at age 4 all the way up until 17 in the face sometime twice per week, "why me"? god is an a$$ who gives the benefit of the so-called power of the free will to that of the person committing the evil acts as compared to those who suffer, in this case millions of children who cannot escape from their tormentors. .
"Could god have made the world and not suffering? And if they say "no" then he"s not all powerful. If they say "yes", then why didn"t he? Its a constant thing. There"s multiple ways to come at it." Phil Ferguson
* You won"t have to worry god issuing a death warrant on you if you are gay which is 100% wrong and gives no reason why and is pure evil and hate LV 20:13
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant on you of you work on the sabbath which is a stupid law and is pure evil and hate EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant if you commit adultery which is a stupid law LV 20:10
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant if you say something like "god damn it" or "f god"/ blasphemy which is truly a stupid ignorant law LV: 24:16
* You won"t have to worry about god sending his henchmen to kill you simply because you believe in a different god or gods which is pure evil and hate DT 13: 9-10, DT 17 2-5, 2 CHR 15: 12-13,
* You won"t have to worry about being a slave unto god as is endorsed throughout the bible (OT was never taken away or revamped and yes jesus did it too but we are not concerned with a false prophet) EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25,
* You won"t have to worry about god torturing, brutalizing, knowingly causing the suffering of yours or other children and babies LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23
* You won"t have to worry about god hating women in which he most certainly does to your wife, girlfriend, mother, grandmother, great grandmother or any woman you know LM 4 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34,1 TY 2:12
* You won"t have to be terrified if you are a woman as god loves rape NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, pure evil and nothing but,
Tracie Harris: "Your question was regarding free will as an argument for allowing suffering. That's when you get into the problem of evil. Now the problem of evil as we all know is not an argument that demonstrates that no god exists or that god exists. What it demonstrates is that god is your god is an a$#. What she's telling you is she believes in a god, and I assume she worships this god? Its like is she 'happy' about her god?" Caller: "Oh oh yeah everything except for the old testament." Tracie "In other words what she is saying is 'I love this god who believes that the free will of the rapist is more important than the free will of the child being raped. That I think that its worth it to have a child be raped because I really really put a high value on a rapist's free will.""
"When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven?" And she"ll say "yes." And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven?" So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, raped, so you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, he must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick." Phil Ferguson
* You won"t have to be ridden with grief with your "christian" religion anymore if you think an abortion is the right thing to do as god commits abortions HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, and perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in which religious people solidly believe in (without proof)?
* You won"t have to go to war and perhaps die or perhaps lose a few limbs along with your sanity (PTSD) all in the supposed "good" name of god in which you cannot even prove even exists as this god has committed countless atrocities/ genocides for absolutely no reason... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc The body count in the bible that god killed is 2,821,364 when it should have been 0. After all if god is god he can do anything and especially not have the need, want and much needed desire for deliberate genocides proving him to be far worse than Stalin, Pol Pot, Hong Xiuquan, Mao, Hitler combined. After all this unproved god knowingly created them knowing especially what they would do.

***** If you do not see the horrific details behind YOUR christian god, religion and bible and its fatalistic flaws and how absurdly valueless they are, and if you can honestly and truly think of any common sense logical reason(s) as to WHY you should NOT become/ be an atheist (and remember, even the slightest doubt in the belief in god(s) that means you are an atheist) then you are completely gone into another non existent universe.
***** We'll get into other things in other rounds such as why god would never use text as a source of communication the worst form of communication possible, the bible is not evidence, faith is not evidence, super massive hypocritical contradictions in the bible thus proving the bible to be unreadable, heaven and hell, god is an idiot, god is imperfect etc.
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***** Rules: counteract what has been posted in this round and prove that god is worthy of worship, and atheism is NOT a correct ideal.
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Percivil

Con

Argument:Atheism is one who disbeliefs in the absence of god. But what evidence do they have god does not exist? They just rely on a fictional book called the bible right? Well I dont think or at least personally I think atheists need to think twice before they come to a conclusion that god does not exist and hence atheism should be accepted. Here is some evidence god exists:

Miracle if lanciano:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org.... Bear in mind the piece of flesh was a muscle next to the heart where during the 8th century there was no way to take it out so this could not have been a hoax.

Miracle of Therese Neuman:
http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com...

There are so many other miracles which scientifically cannot be explained because the definition of miracles(for the dummies here) according to an online cambridge dictionary is:an unusual and mysterious event that is thought to have been caused by a god because it does not follow the usual laws of nature.

Hence I dont think atheism should be accepted as they say there is no evidence of god as mentioned in the topic it says:which no one can proove exists. Obviously they havent done their research.

Rebuttal(s):
My opponent said and I quote,"Also you show me anywhere in the bible where it says something to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants man free will" ." Surely he/she has not read Galathians 5:13 in the bible which states:You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh ; rather, serve one another humbly in love. So there is a mention of free will just that it tells us not to abuse it.

My opponent also said and I quote,"Suffering, horrific pain and torture exists occurs throughout the bible. god is the absolute 100% cause of it otherwise god is not god." If he/she had read the bible he/she obviously hasnt read it properly as the name of a demon called satan exists. And he is the one responsible for suffering and torture to occur. To make things fair,ill look at the only source my opponent probrably just looks at which is the bible:

psalm 106:37-38:37 They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to false gods. 38 They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was desecrated by their blood. This showed that satan in a way tortured them to sacrifice their own kids to him. Even today he is possessing those weak in spirit. So why blame god?
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

I truly love blithering idiot dildo breath yodeling grunge country opera diaper runs who do their pretend yoga at a nun"s pep rally concrete parachuting contest for clodhoppers digest in the hopes that they will make the cover of next month's issue to become the all time choir boys like you.
I"m not going to bite into your conversation AT ALL, got it? I'm going to trounce on it. As you only paid attention to two little things that was presented to your pathetic worthless eyes that you cannot comprehend because you like nearly all christians, you do not have the capability to do something as wide and as vast as "reading". Do you know what "reading" is? You know. Wurds. Sentinses. Pathetic little drumstick on stilts? But I shall address a few things and degrade, humiliate and dehumanize you into nothingness as you rightly deserve because you like nearly every christian have to have that little smug smirk on your smooching kisser that is a well worn to shreds that only christians have and you and others like you hide behind their pretend shield of christianity in which in truth there"s no such a thing.

"But what evidence do they have god does not exist?" It is not an atheists job to present evidence that a god exists. That"s the job of those who believe in god(s). After all none have been proven, ever as we atheists sit back and enjoy life while you who believe in god(s) snivel toxic waste clouds for something in which you cannot prove.

You mention miracles. Those will be discarded because they have nothing to do with the debate and no miracles have ever been proven anyway and all named since the 18th century have been debunked and notice how since the 18th century that fewer and fewer are showing up? Its because we have cameras and technology now to prove that miracles do not occur, and if they do and or have to point to your god, then your god would reign supreme - period. So that"s that.

And then you the stupid pathetic turd christian kingdom of comedy states christian WHO CAN"T READ states
My opponent said and I quote,"Also you show me anywhere in the bible where it says something to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants man free will" ." Surely he/she has not read Galathians 5:13 in the bible which states:You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh ; rather, serve one another humbly in love." And who stated that? IT WAS NOT GOD NOW WAS IT? NOPE. Please try harder and use battery acid as a staple for your diet.

My opponent also said and I quote,"Suffering, horrific pain and torture exists occurs throughout the bible. god is the absolute 100% cause of it otherwise god is not god." If he/she had read the bible he/she obviously hasn"t read it properly as the name of a demon called satan exists."
Wowzers cabbage batbrain. Then according to you, then that means that YOUR god is NOT in control of satan, which means god is NOT in control of everything, does not know everything, is not all knowing nor is he all powerful, most certainly is not omnipotent, and is not perfect to have created satan with all of his evil (oh but wait gosh golly gee gosh darned it all, god has freely admitted several times that he IS evil so therefore this god IS evil) and he allows this satan character to do whatever the f--k he wants, that this god character doesn"t give a s--t about suffering, pain, torture, and most importantly allows suffering, pain and torture to occur which makes this god character you are so in love with a sadist. Oh and oh yeah, your god character created this satan guy, so if god is god and is supposed to be omnipotent and knows everything, he will know BEFOREHAND that this satan guy WILL be evil, so in turn GOD IS EVIL for creating this satan guy. Now what part of that don"t you understand?

Oh and oh yeah, did yah miss all the verses where god brutalizes and causes the knowing suffering of babies and children? Did yah miss all of those? Why of course your tinsel mind did because YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY THEM. Did yah miss the verses where YOUR god causes abortions which is truly sick and disgusting? Why of course you did in which is beyond sick and diseased. Did you miss the verses that god wants to wipe you out if you do not believe in him, if you blaspheme, if you are, gay, if you break the sabbath, if you commit adultery, etc etc etc? Why of course you did because you think you are a christian and you hold no justification for god"s horrific terrorist actions that you didn"t even look up because you are a true coward that cannot handle any kind of truth, just like any so-called christian can"t when slapped in the face with it.
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Moving on. Further evidence as to why atheism is the correct path for an investment and an undertaking and takes nothing from you, no time, no energy, whereas christianity takes and investment of the soul. That"s asking far too much from the proven god of evil and hate with the verses and actions in RD1. Here"s more evidence"
* NOTHING is established in scripture. That"s because the christian god, if remotely intelligent in which he is clearly not, would never use text as a form of communication, the worst form of communication possible so everybody can get it wrong. There"s translations upon translations upon translations upon translations upon copies upon copies upon copies upon copies upon dead languages upon dead langanguages with absolutely 0% of a chance to trance it back to the original. So absolutely nobody knows if they are interpreting correctly. Also the bible is NOT evidence of any kind. Its a group of stories and nothing more. All the bible is, is words on paper. So who knows what is true? If god were to communicate with us personally, that would be evidence. Here are a few common sense video"s to prove it.
http://www.youtube.com... - Christians don't understand the character of God
http://www.youtube.com... -The god that christians believe in is amazingly STUPID!!!!
http://www.youtube.com... Atheist Experience 21:49 with Tracie Harris zand Don Baker
Call starts at approx 47:30. Picks up after a long introduction 54:45 and really gets into it 1:03:30 - 1:11:30.

"If god is all knowing and he knows the future of all events and he wrote a book that can only be interpreted as if it endorses slavery and if its heinous violence against your children against your neighbors" how could a god be that omnipotent and devise a book where we can"t distinguish between the law of Israel and god"s law? I mean their interwoven where we have metaphor and fact and nobody can distinguish the two. We don"t know what we"re supposed to take figuratively. We don"t know what we"re supposed to take literally. Was it actually a tree? I mean come on. How can anyone distinguish this. I mean come on. It doesn"t make any sense. It doesn"t matter how its translated. It doesn"t matter what version. If it was written by an omnipotent being there would be ONE VERSION. And there would be only ONE WAY to interpret it because it would be written well." Aron Ra
Actually it wouldn"t be written at all. What"s wrong with your god comin" down and talking to people? "Hey you know some of that stuff that"s in the book? I"m here to correct it." Matt Dillahunty

"We have to rely on copies of copies of anonymous authors with no originals and the textural testimony to a miracle for example, there"s no amount of reports, anecdotal reports that is sufficient to justify in believing that actually happened as reported. And anything that would qualify as a god would clearly understand this and if it wanted to clearly convey this to people in a way that is believable would not be relying on ---TEXT--- to do so. And this to me is the nail in the coffin for christianity. The god that christians believe in is amazingly ---STUPID---!!! If it actually wants to achieve its goal by spreading its word to humanity by relying on text, by relying on languages that die off, by relying on anecdotal testimony, that"s not a pathway to truth. And anything that would qualify for a god would know this.which shows either god does not exist or doesn"t care enough about the people to understand the nature of evidence to actually present it. Now which of those two possibilities is accurate?" Matt Dillahunty

* Faith. No supreme deity, especially god, who is an idiot, would rely on something as ridiculous as faith. Faith as the same thing is true with the bible is---not---evidence. What"s wrong with god simply talking to us rather than paying this game of hide-n-go-seek in which NOBODY has ever seen this christian god? So how is that proof of his existence?
Watch this common sense video and pay attention to these common sense quotes"
http://www.youtube.com... - Another Appeal To Faith - The Atheist Experience
"Why would you believe anything on faith? Faith isn"t a pathway to truth. Every religion has some sort of faith. If faith is your pathway you can"t distinguish between christianity, Hinduism, judaism, any of these others. How is it that you use ---reason--- in every of the other endeavor in your life and then when it comes to the ultimate truth, the most important truth your"re saying that faith is required and how is that supposed to reflect on a god? What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence?" Matt Dillahunty
"Faith is the reason people give when they don"t have evidence." Matt Dillahunty
"Faith can be very very dangerous, and deliberately to implant it into the vulnerable mind of an innocent child is a grievous wrong." Richard Dawkins
"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is the belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." Richard Dawkins
Percivil

Con

Argument:
Atheism is wrong and in this argument Ill give you 3 reasons why:

1)Atheists believe that the universe is eternal. We see from Edwin Hubble"s work at the Palomar Observatory (on Mt. Wilson near Los Angeles) that the universe is expanding. This expansion is confirmed through observation of the "red shift." In physics (especially astrophysics) redshift happens when light seen coming from an object that is moving away is proportionally increased in wavelength, or shifted to the red end of the spectrum. Albert Einstein traveled to see Hubble"s work and famously said "I now see the necessity of a beginning." Since the universe is expanding, it follows that reversing the expansion would ultimately lead to a contraction or what physicists call "the singularity" known as the beginning of the universe. The Kalam Cosmological argument (widely accepted in professional philosophy and logic communities) states that:
1. Everything that began to exist, has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Time and space came into existence at the singularity. Since there was a cause to bring the universe into existence, it has to be a cause that is outside of time and space. As a result, the cause is both immaterial and transcendent. This is God.

Read the other two in the links in my arguments(1st and 3rd argument) here:http://www.debate.org...

With all these reasons stated, we can proove the atheists are wrong and therefore cannot be accepted.

Rebuttal(s):
1)You mention miracles. Those will be discarded because they have nothing to do with the debate and no miracles have ever been proven anyway and all named since the 18th century have been debunked and notice how since the 18th century that fewer and fewer are showing up? Its because we have cameras and technology now to prove that miracles do not occur, and if they do and or have to point to your god, then your god would reign supreme - period. So that"s that.
Rebuttal:it has to do with prooving the existence of god as the topic states:and not the god according to the bible in which nobody can proove exists. So it is a coincidence the sun is like this?:https://m.youtube.com.... Yes I agree with the fact the number of miracles nowadays are decreasing but just because its decreasing doesnt mean there are any miracles? You said the cause of it was what again? We have technology and cameras to proove that miracles dont exist? Please watch the youtube link above.

2)And who stated that? IT WAS NOT GOD NOW WAS IT? NOPE.

Rebuttal:The book of galathians was written by paul so yes its not jesus.But,this passage must be read in its context. Paul was addressing
those who called for circumcision of the non-jews who wanted to be baptized into Christianity. (Don"t forget that Jesus first followers were all Jews). Circumcision is a jewish law. Paul is saying that Jesus has set us free from the bondage of sin, so that we now have the freedom (free will) to do the right things without having to be subjected to laws. We have the free will to choose God"s ways. we can transcend the laws and still follow God. But however, Paul also cautioned that we can use this freedom from the law to do evil. A simple analogy: In class, you all had the freedom to choose where you want to sit. You could choose to sit with a friend but yet still be able to pay attention, be considerate to others n to the catechist by not talking or playing with your friend. It is your own will. Or you could misuse the freedom by talking loudly, playing, etc,

3)God has no control over satan
Rebuttal:Ok sorry wrong source. Heres why god allows suffering:http://www.christianbiblereference.org....
This speaks for the children who suffered:https://answersingenesis.org...

4)Bible is a fictional book
Rebuttal:read my arguments(1st and third):http://www.debate.org...
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

Did you pay any attention to the rules? "Rules: counteract what has been posted in this round and prove that god is worthy of worship, and atheism is NOT a correct ideal." No of course not, you go rambling on and on into something in which clearly you know nothing about.

"1)Atheists believe that the universe is eternal." Really? According to what imbecile of atheists book(s), that has never been written?
Here"s what atheists believe in by the dictionary definitions Atheism "1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings." And that"s it. That"s all atheists believe in as a group. NOTHING more. So your "1) is trashed.
Here"s some video"s to tell you exactly what atheism is to---the---letter and you cannot springboard it to anywhere else"
http://www.youtube.com... - Reasons for accepting atheism
http://www.youtube.com... - Bill Maher - Idiots must stop claiming atheism is a religion
http://www.youtube.com... - Atheism a religion?

Miracles that sun dancing optical illusion? Wow. I mean are you serious to FALL FOR ANYTHING?
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Even better that Paul stated Galatians 5:13 which means that the odds on end of it even being more imperfect that it really is as its all the much worse as memory is always unreliable. And those who hung around jesus could not read nor write. And even better is I just love those idiots through the generations who think that they can update what the characters say in the bible, especially YOUR unproved god and jesus and sometimes completely change what they say, in which wow, they must be so p**sed, but like I said, you cannot even prove that they"ve ever existed.
And DO NOT tell me about "context" when you are 100% totally incapable of interpreting YOUR bible.
"Paul is saying that Jesus has set us free from the bondage of sin, so that we now have the freedom (free will)" THAT HAS 0% of NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR GOD EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER, are yah with me this far, let me repeat EVER this god of YOURS, EVER (now do I have to repeat myself or do you understand simpleton terms) EVER stating in HIS BIBLE, NOT YOURS, this god of YOURS, not mine, GOT IT THUS FAR, or do I have to repeat MYSELF YET AGAIN in him stating something to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants man free will". Now do YOU get it? Who the F__K cares what Paul said? Who the F__K cares what the false prophet jesus said? THEY---ARE---NOT---GOD. And they cannot implement their own rules, laws and regulations. PERIOD. Now what part of that DON"T YOU GET? Sheesh. That"s why I truly hate making attempts to taking to those who claim that they are christians. And you buddy boy are most certainly are not a christian. You may claim that you are, but sadly, you are not. Not by any means. Have you given up your entire family as your jesus commands which is such a true and sick diseased ideal unless your family abuses you? No of course not. Have you given up all of your possessions in which your jesus commands you to do? No why of course not. Oh and oh yeah and follow him. Where? To air that you cannot prove? How gullible are you? PA-TH-ET-IC.

3) I am not even going to look at that truly pathetic link you posted because there is 0% of a reason why your god allows suffering except for the reason that he must thoroughly enjoy it. Otherwise he would not create it. And don"t you dare bring in that satan crap either.
Oh darn well I did read it and the author obviously doesn"t know his bible and neither do you, so I stopped reading.
"But the children . . . how could God kill the little children?" The response: "If the earth was filled with violence and evil, it makes one wonder how many children were still alive anyway. After all, in today"s culture, where evil has a foothold, it is children that seem to bear the brunt of much violence (e.g., hundreds of millions of abortions). Even if there were some children left, God provided the Ark. Why did the parents of those children refuse to let them board? Why did they insist on putting their children in harm"s way? If anyone is to blame, it is the parents and guardians who stopped them from coming to the Ark."
Why blame God for something when He provided a means of salvation, which the parents refused?"
Oh really? All the parents from around the world, REFUSED YOU F--KING MORON? No they didn"t. According to NO BIBLE WHATSOEVER were parents even offered a trip on the fake ark that couldn"t have possibly floated in the fake great flood that never happened in the first place. I LOVE truly made up invented excuses and flat out lies. Once again YOUR god truly hates children. And so What? NO CHILD EVER deserves to KNOWINGLY suffer ESPECIALLY because of someone else's fault which is why the Adam and Eve example not only doesn't make any sense except to truly warped individuals, but only once again shows that YOUR god truly hates children.
And the answer for "how could god kill the little children?" Well he"s done it through the in entire OT so what the f--K is this cheapened article talking about? Now have you looked at the verses in RD1 which shows this? Why no. Of course not. You automatically belch out sheer buffoonery in which absolutely no one who has a good straight head on their shoulders would ever believe.
Now I am truly sick of you not paying attention to the rules. You either " counteract what has been posted in this round (that being RD1 in which you obviously point blank avoid and I will not tolerate anymore, and pick 4 subjects and counter them. That should be an easy thing to do) and prove that god is worthy of worship, and atheism is NOT a correct ideal in which you have thus far done 0% of because you have shown that you cannot even fathom the word "atheism" and who "atheists" are and what atheists are all about.
Percivil

Con

Honestly, I don"t know how you win a debate by just counter arguments but I"ll just play ball.

Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Rebuttal: they missed out:without any evidence to support their cause. You dont believe that the bible consists of true stories. Proof there was evidence of true stories in the bible:https://listverse.com....

Miracle of the sun is an optical illusion

Rebuttal: read the whole story when the miracle was first shown and read this:https://skeptoid.com...
Athetists only uses science and other reasons to deny god and other superior beings. Obviously they havent looked at the bigger picture(eg saying the ark is a fantasy,they might wanna look at d link of evidence of the ark). I mean Ill bet my faith in god and Im going to bet that atheism is worthy of worship of which up till now my opponent has done a very bad job in doing,cant proove god does not exist. Hes relying on just quotes and counteracting everything but with just these quotes and finding faults in the bible, if we throw them a miracle(eg staircase of st joseph,miracle of lanciano,the incorruptable bodies) I want to see if they can counteract anything about the miracle. So counteract this my good friend. Please bear in mind the piece of flesh in the miracle of lanciano was a piece of flesh next to the heart where during that time there was no way to cut it out so how can we hoax such a thing? And if you cant give me solid evidence to not believe in god, we can then affirm the fact atheism is not worthy of worship or as(I think) Pilate said:not worth the dirt on my shoe.
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God hates kids:

Rebuttal:https://www.google.com.sg... If god hates kids,why does he say that the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these? Yes maybe he was cruel to take them in such a manner but wouldnt we rejoice for they have entered the kingdom of heaven? Before you say heaven is fake, watch this:https://youtu.be.... Impossible a 4 year old kid would know about sucht things.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

Wow you are going to use “listverse? A site that will list ANYTHING if provided with the advertisements? I stopped at #10 when it stated that parts of the ark have been found. Well “parts of” first of all what does “parts of” mean? I didn’t read beyond that because I 100% know that no they most certainly have not. Because if true, that would have instantaneously made worldwide headlines on every single media outlet known to man and would have kept up the same barrage of a battering ram of s--t shoveling that tepid information in which case in the first place that ark you refer to could have never floated in the first place carrying all the animals and being built in regards to what was biblically stated.
http://www.youtube.com... - How Archaeology Disproves Noah's Flood
http://www.youtube.com... - How Anthropology Disproves Noah's Flood
http://www.youtube.com... - How Dendrochronology Disproves Noah's Flood
http://www.youtube.com... - How Meteorology Disproves Noah's Flood
http://www.youtube.com... - How Mythology Disproves Noah’s Flood
http://www.youtube.com... - How Geology Disproves Noah's Flood
http://www.youtube.com... - How Paleontology Disproves Noah's Flood
http://www.youtube.com... - The Math of the Great Flood
http://www.youtube.com... - Noah's Ark Debunked
http://www.youtube.com... - 39 Problems with the Noah's Ark Story (includes the great flood also)
http://www.youtube.com... - Noah's Ark is Plagiarized. Here's how we know …
http://www.youtube.com... - Bible’s Buried Secrets 14:45

“Athetists only uses science and other reasons to deny god and other superior beings.” Sure. We don't rely on faith as that's not a pathway to truth. Faith is not evidence. The bible is not evidence. Your god talking to us as an example, now that would be evidence.

“my opponent has done a very bad job in doing,cant proove god does not exist.” Wow. Feeble. Woeful. Inadequate. Its not the job of an atheist to prove that your god does not exist. It is always up to you to prove that your god does exist. No exceptions. None. After all, no one has yet to prove that your god does exist so why should we as atheists be looking out to prove that he does? That would be counterproductive on all levels. And until you produce something that is tangible, until you can test, until you can demonstrate that your god exists, then your god does not exist. Its that simple. I mean how do you look for something, test for something, demonstrate something when you don’t even know what you are looking for?

OK what miracle? ANY OF THEM? As stated if true, they would make worldwide headline news through ALL media outlets and they would never disappear. They would remain there forever. And if true, YOUR god would rank supreme forever and ever. Simple. Nah there ARE NO christian miracles. All you’ve done was invent pathetic excuse after pathetic excuse. Oh but wait, there’s no verified miracles BY SCIENCE that have been found, not one. Otherwise they would stand and be followed. But you being truly gullible, you would believe in anything. If I came knocking at your door tomorrow and told you that I was Noah and another great flood would be happening the next day, you are so amazingly gullible that you would certainly believe it. So don’t talk to me about miracles of any kind when you have 0 proof. Now how come with what you have presented, has that NOT occured?
the incorruptible bodies ARE YOU SERIOUS? NOT A WORLDWIDE EVENT TO BE CONCERNED WITH OTHERWISE IT WOULD MAKE AND BE CONTINUOUS WORLDWIDE NEWS ON EVERY MEDIA OUTLET!!!!!! Oh and big deal, the Egyptian mummies have been mummified for THOUSANDS of years. Let’s see the incorruptible bodies survive that long. Then you might have a case. But not until then. And even so, mummification, egyptologists, they “think” they know how it was done. But the mummies are now permanently encased in glass, just as the incorruptible bodies are, so no more abilities to study them, only look.

Oh but wait by gum, since you THINK you are a christian, in which there is no such a thing, the pyramids of Giza in which no one has even come close to solving as to how they were built, the Mayan calendar is only off by one day every 5125 years. And it predicts the very day into the future for whichever day you might want. How did they do that? How did the Inca build their masonry so beautifully so that a knife blade cannot be inserted between the stones? At Puma Punku, above the tree line, so breathing becomes nearly impossible, there is a city of machined like blocks of stone that no archeologist can explain. Some stones are perfectly polished, some have drill bit size holes, one weighs 131 metric tons. HOW? Oh yeah, the Maya came up with the number 0, nothing. It is impossible to think of nothing. These are worldwide KNOWN archaeological puzzles. What you have mentioned is NOT known worldwide by any means. But I am an archaeological major and I’ve always loved that question “how was it built”. Indeed to many things there may never be an answer. But I gotta admit that staircase is fascinating and I didn’t know anything at all about it. Hey another thing that is fascinating are the Stradivarius, especially the violins. The staircase you mentioned in using wood, obviously so does the violins. Here the inventor Stradivarius used different woods, and there’s only 9 in the world, all worth millions or more depending on which market value. And they like any other get a super distinct pristine sound unlike any other and to this day no one knows how or what he did to get that sound. Was it the finish he used? Was it an alignment inside of the violin (obviously no one is going to take one apart or X-ray it). No one knows.

Oh gosh golly gee gosh darned it all, you want proof of true miracles? Do you know what Titan is? Probably not because you are far too stupid and truly remarkable unedumacated. Do you know who Carl Sagan was? Probably not because you are remarkably stupid and unedumacated. Now I’m not saying that to be cruel and nasty, I’m saying that because its the truth and you will say anything to get anyone to believe your unremarkable unintelligence and thus gain attention no matter how bleak it is. At any rate Carl Sagan was one of the most famous scientists that this world has ever known. Titan is a moon that orbits the Planet Saturn. Almost nothing was known about Titan except for that it had a think orangy haze. Carl accurately predicted that there would be lakes of liquid methane on its surface. And he died. Then in 2005 the spacecraft Cassini arrives at Saturn and takes pictures of Titan’s surface. Indeed it does have lakes of liquid methane. Not only that but it rains there as well. Now how in the f--k could he have known that? Not only that but before anything was known about Mars and before any landers set down on it, he predicted Dust Devils (tornadoes) would happen a lot. And sure enough they do. Again, how could he know that? And both times not have ANY TECHNOLOGY to prove his theories? So do NOT talk to me about what you call “miracles”.

Did you even bother to look at the verses where YOUR god hates children? No you did not and you know it. You automatically think that god is good and it totally 100% incapable of any s--t whatsoever even though he knowingly creates all the s--t that there is all the time of every second of every day, that is if god is god and he is in control of everything, is in charge of everything, knows everything, is all knowing and all powerful, is omnipotent, and is perfect. Those verses you brought up are from jesus, a false messiah, so they don’t count, and really think about it as an example since the website you brought up is so blatantly ignorant and biased Matthew 18: 1-5 as an example “At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.” Now exactly what is WRONG with that picture? EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED? Who the f--k is jesus to say that to a little child, much less ANYONE, again especially a child who cannot fathom who jesus is? And verse 4 and 5 there goes jesus’s blabbering maw just as his god with his super ego complex babbling away. And for those children who suffer in agonizing pain? Oh I get it, that suffering is to continue and heaven, is a longgggggggggg way off rather than this god of theirs just whisking them to heaven and bypassing earth in the first place.
Oh and that vidie you sent. How stupid are you? No really. How stupid are you? The kid was COACHED. It made me queeze. It delivers false hope. That’s evil.
Now since you made me watch that bile, here’s some truth videos for you about children and your god and bible. And please, absolutely feel free to verify it. K? Continue to be the knowledgeable person that you always are. Both of these vidies are irrefutable and you cannot say one god damned word against them. Its all in YOUR maggoty crispy bible.
http://www.youtube.com... - God hates children (this is very moving as she gets choked up)
http://www.youtube.com... - Atheist debates get em while they’re young

Percivil

Con

Before I start,I"d like to ask everyone:can we allow atheism to be accepted when they cant proove to themselves that god doesnt exist? Just because they rely on science,a bible,they dont look at the bigger picture which is things like miracles? Please vote for the right person in this debate.

Oh but wait, there"s no verified miracles BY SCIENCE that have been found, not one.

Rebuttal:according to google, the meaning of miracle is:an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency. So why exactly rely on science when it states:that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws?

the Egyptian mummies have been mummified for THOUSANDS of years. Let"s see the incorruptible bodies survive that long. Then you might have a case.

Rebuttal:The bodies werent touched whereas the egyptian mummies underwent the process of mummification. The incorruptable bodies of saints like saint bernedatte did not,I repeat, DID NOT undergo that process. So as the bodies werent touched, I question my opponent:is there a natural or scientific law to not attribute this to divine agency?

Wood of the staircase of saint joseph:
If you didnt read, the type of oak wood the builder used was a species if oak which isnt on any graph or whatever you use to classify the 9 types of wood. Ignoring the wood,how can one build a spiral staircase 6 meters tall with no centeral support? I question yet again:is there a natural or scientific law to not attribute the staircase to divine agency?

Those verses you brought up are from jesus, a false messiah

Rebuttal:if there is a false answer to a question,there will also be a true answer. So please enlighten me on the definition of a true messiah? Dont name me the characteristics of one,give me a name. I believe all this so far will help you on the voting criteria of which one question is:who provided more evidence(or something like that I forgot the question)?

Did you even bother to look at the verses where YOUR god hates children?

Rebuttal:Why rely on the bible when you mentioned earlier the bible is not evidence? Denying it? You said and I quote,"Faith is not evidence. The bible is not evidence. Your god talking to us as an example, now that would be evidence. "

Rebuttal on video(god hates children):

I thought you athetists deny the existence of superior beings? Satan is one and cant you see that the two people in the video are satanists? Evidence:
-Steve is wearing a shirt with a cross hung upside down
-Sunday is known to be the sabbath day and monster in the bible is known as the dragon a.k.a satan.
-Assuming that they arent satanist, which person would make a video on why god hates children? Not athetists because they deny the existence of superior beings.

Rebuttal(s) on video(athetist debate):
-As mentioned by the speaker, he said and I quote,"Nobody"s going to take it onto faith that theres going to be an eclipse tomorrow. Its science." Question for my opponent:how did science come about? Big bang right? We can all agree on the fact that for whatever situation you name,there would be a person responsible. If you say big bang caused science,what caused big bang? I think all of us would accept atheism if you can give us a scientific explanation for big bang. Was it a big coincidence that the asteroid hit earth and gravity caused it that way? No. Theres always someone behind something.

-"We"ve investigated these claims." And athetists will force themselves to say its false because disbelief in a god blah blah blah well if you did investigate,explain this investigation of noahs ark:https://m.youtube.com....

-"The one and only answer is I dont know." Before we assume that you dont know theres a god and hence we shouldnt come to a conclusion with a lack of evidence atheism should not be accepted,give me solid proof there isnt a god and hence atheism should be accepted becuase lets face it:we cant accept anything with no evidence.

-"And it is destroying the world..."HOLD UP NOW. If its destroying the world,when people search for god,why do they feel peace then? False confidence? Im talking adults not kids here now:https://m.youtube.com...

Abrahams test:
The test was more for Abraham"s sake and ours, than for God as God already knew what faith Abraham had. Through this test, Abraham now knew that he would do anything for God and the extend of his trust in God. It"s like us, we don"t know our own character until we are tested. For example, i think that i have great faith in God. However, if someone in my family falls very sick, will I still have the trust in God? What if the person dies, will I still trust God? Although it i isn"t written in the bible, it must have been gut wrenching for Abraham to obey God, he may even have wanted to run away with Isaac n hide from God. But God used this test to show Abraham n his future generations (us) how much faith he had despite this horrible task he had to do. God has big plans for Abraham, and showing Abraham himself and his future generation the extend of his own faith, sealed him as the "father of our faith". Equate this to Jesus" sacrifice, and his agony in the garden. Just like Abraham, his trust and love for His Father was beyond measure. In his humanity, Jesus had to trust God that his suffering was the only way to redeem mankind. In his humanity, Jesus even asked for the suffering to be taken away, BUT he trusted God"s will even more, and he loved us so much that he would go against his own human will, and choose God"s way instead as he knew that only God"s way would bring us back to his Father. So this is the extend of God"s love for us. He saved Abraham"s son from the suffering of death, but He allowed his only son to carry our sins n endure the tremendous suffering until death.
Debate Round No. 4
backwardseden

Pro

Since you did not acknowledge anything in regards to the great flood that it never happened, in which it didn"t as proved, that"s a HUGE loss for your side, which means that the bible in its entirety is false which means all the supposed miracles that you"ve presented are false as well.

I and anyone who is sensible and senile, we don"t rely on miracles to run their lives. Nor do we rely on gullibility and unsophisticated foolishness to gear us in the wrong direction, in which you clear do, as your life is one big charade of miracles "oh where will my atomic bladder to give me my strength and save my urine sample from hypersleep come from" ahj yes, that cheezewhiz factory of thinking abilities, rationalizing, reasoning, common sense, and logic in which you most certainly have presented nothing to believe in to anyone of merit, just like your god, christ, religion and bible. And still its a shame because you, like the stiff upper cut to the jaw with salt, apple cider vinegar on that syphilis sore that you"ve never been able to get rid of as a kid that is now bleeding profusely because of the hemorrhage from your you know where area when you get a stiffy, you, like so many here on debate.org has no genuine friends or loved ones and wow does it show like you pouring gasoline all over yourself and then running into a burning collapsing building. What do I mean by genuine? Those that would go way way wayyyyyyyyy out of their way to help you out in time of dire need and ---never--- ask you a single question. But you did it to yourself. You deserve it. You will die alone.

Those "miracles" that you"ve presented, tell you what, since you flatly ignored all the videos I put up for your bumbling bladder baby brained big black blank hole and the "miracles" that were presented by myself that were completely ignored by you as well as the verses showing point blank AGAIN that YOUR god TRULY HATES children in which you have no REBUTTALS, which indeed carry a lot more weight by any standards of measuring than anything you"ve presented, I am going to ignore everything that you have stated. Your rebuttals have NOTHING to do with what was posted, and you know nothing about Egyptian mummification either, but strangely, well not strangely, it is in effect of because you don"t know how to answer what was posted to you because a truly ignorant idiot like you has no answer for what was posted unto you just like the entire world, which is OK. Just say "I don"t know" which is what every scientist says. But nah not to christians. They come up with "miracles". As "I don"t know" those are true terrorist and horror words to christians, but then again in absolutely no possible way are you a christian, tee hee, its worse than you painting smiley faces on rolls of T.P. for a living, as dare your unproved god be "imperfect" in which if you believe in him, he most certainly is.

So yeah you left out 90% of everything else thus proving that you didn"t watch the videos, pay any attention to the "miracles" I pose, Carl Sagan, rather point blank obviously, like the love button that you are. So I"m not going to pay any further attention to what you have to say. You are not worth my time. I am far too good for you. And so is this debate.

And remember,... when coming across something that pops out at you that you have 0% idea of as to how it was crafted, you say the sensible thing of "I---don"t---know." You don"t automatically climb on your G.I jew toy hot wheel dump truck and say "Its a miracle!" Got it snookums? That a good wittle wost bore.
Percivil

Con

Rebuttal on video(math of the flood):
-"It could not have happened naturallistically." With god,events such as these do not have a scientific reason which is probrably the reason why we use the term miracle which means events that isnt explicable by natural or scientific laws and hence attributed to divine agency?(duh...) This point already then tells us that the flood existed as it isnt explicable by natural or scientific laws,so Im not gonna bother with the rest of the video.

Rebuttal on video(how archeology says otherwise about the flood):
-"There is no exact date on the day of the flood." But we have of sorts a date closer to when the flood occured which I guess most of all of us can agree is evidence:http://www.biblearchaeology.org...
-Assuming the flood didnt kill anyone on earth,the speaker stated that the summarian king did say there was a flood. So this is coming from 2 sources now. If you say the bible is fictional,re watch the video.

For the rest of the videos,I just have to say one thing:with god,no natural or scientific laws can explain any of these so this is what we call:lack of evidence.

This says it all as a rebuttal on why god hates children:https://www.google.com.sg....

Ladies and gentlemen we can tell that in the 1700"s they banned the process of mummification or didnt practice it anymore. If it still were then let me clarify even more:
This is the process of mummification:https://www.si.edu... first step wasnt carried out on saint bernedatte(ok it was actually just after we found her body not decomposed. She died before she was known as a saint). And obviously we dont see saint bernedatte wrapped around with cloth to absorb moisture. Why? Her body wasnt even touched! So are there any natural or scientific laws that can explain this and hence not attribute this to divine agency?

In conclusion ladies and gentlemen, with the lack of evidence that god does not exist(as obviously science cant proove as he works miracles), I dont think atheism should be accepted.For those who dont look at the bigger picture and have not yet asked God into their heart, God has a special invitation"and a special promise: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him" (Revelation 3:20).
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
Have you any love within you. What the f#ck are you trying to prove honestly?
You are going so far out upon that highest branch upon the of monkeys. Put your pride aside for your own sake. Pride before the fall. I don't see Im_inteigent here anymore I wonder why?
I am concerned about his well being I hope that he has seen the error in his ability towards rational reasoning.
It seems to me that all that ever bother to post in your debates are really trying to help you.
Can't you see that? I'm sorry to say that you have the obvious signs of a sociopath and maybe you know it or maybe you don't. But for your own sake and your owns families sake. Please find out if you can do cognitive behavioural therapy and learn to draw a balanced line in the sand between inhumane and humane.
Do you believe that you are you a well-balanced individual?

If you think that emotions are no more then a weakness. Then guess what that is the first sign.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@Percivil - No the only time I report someone's comments is when they threaten someone with bodily harm and causes them to suffer, especially a child in which sadly and rather horrifically your god has cherished in his bible all the time and knowingly loves it.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@Amphia - No I'm just being bud, whoops bad. Sorry me being my ole sarcastic self.
Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
@backwarsdseden if u gonna report my comments,re read ur arguments
Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
@amphia he/she thinks he/she is so smart there he/she goes insulting anyone.
Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
@amphia dun mind d athetist
Posted by Amphia 3 years ago
Amphia
@backwardseden

Hey, you've already attacked my age and my beliefs. Don't attack my *thumbs up* too!!
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@Amphia - or Beeny topper, or here's a good one that I nicknamed a friend a long time ago and she loved it - the exotic neurotic when we were renaming music genres such as yodeling grunge (I hate grunge but love nearly all other genres of music), and I hate the * thumbs up * because there's just so so so much out there in the art world that needs to be defined far better than by just a thumbs up and thumbs down rating, not that you are sworn by it the way Netflix is, ararargggg, (yeah I love movies also), but that's me. And I'm really a nice guy. Take my insults as an uplifting thing. I mean you have to admit they are like none other and original. So laugh at them and have a good time. But some here on debate.org who don't use their brains and have pig pen applesauce upstairs instead, well you get the picture. Please always tc and have fun -Michael
Posted by Amphia 3 years ago
Amphia
@backwardseden

Thanks man. *Thumbs up*

Also, teeny bopper is a good one lol. I actually call my friends that now haha.
Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
Pro can you seriously shorten your arguments? Im reading this and losing track of watever youre saying
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