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backwardseden
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AMcCormack21
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Reasons for accepting atheism and not the god according to the bible inwhich nobody can prove exists

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Started: 4/27/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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backwardseden

Pro

Reasons for accepting atheism and not the god according to the bible in which nobody can prove even exists...

RULES:
Counteract what is posted in this round and prove that god is worthy of worship, and atheism is NOT a correct ideal.

First for all of those who don't know what "atheism" is. in which nearly 100% of the population on planet earth doesn't, it is simply by the very definition of the dictionary "1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings." DO NOT TURN IT INTO ANYTHING ELSE.

Now here's why you should NOT ACCEPT GOD and instead accept atheism. And if you have even the slightest inkling of doubt as to your belief in god(s), then you ARE an atheist.
* You will have free will. If you believe in god you have NO FREE WILL. NONE. PERIOD. These videos will prove it. But christians are absolutely famous for completely ignoring rock solid evidence.
http://www.youtube.com... - Video 1. All Knowing god verses Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction
http://www.youtube.com... - Video 2. Free Will With god
http://www.youtube.com... - Video 3. god Favors Evil
http://www.youtube.com... - Video 4. god allows Free Will?
Also you show me anywhere in the bible where it says something to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants man free will" Its doesn"t say it anywhere. Also threatening people with death such as a couple of the 10 commandments, adultery, breaking the sabbath, blaspheme, that"s taking free will away. And if god is god, he knows exactly what you will be doing trillions of years before you will be doing it. You are a programmed robot. That"s not free will. You have no free will believing in god. NONE.
* Suffering, horrific pain and torture exists occurs throughout the bible. god is the absolute 100% cause of it otherwise god is not god. And even worse is he gives this knowing suffering horrific pain to children which can only mean two things that god is pure evil and hate as proved in the verses and quotes below. Now the thing about children is, is WHY? Other than god must love it and is a pure sadist otherwise he would not create it. Even worse is children do not understand suffering at all. They can only say unto themselves as a horrific example when daddy is sticking his you know what inside of them while punching them at age 4 all the way up until 17 in the face sometime twice per week, "why me"? god is an a$$ who gives the benefit of the so-called power of the free will to that of the person committing the evil acts as compared to those who suffer, in this case millions of children who cannot escape from their tormentors. .
"Could god have made the world and not suffering? And if they say "no" then he"s not all powerful. If they say "yes", then why didn"t he? Its a constant thing. There"s multiple ways to come at it." Phil Ferguson
* You won"t have to worry god issuing a death warrant on you if you are gay which is 100% wrong and gives no reason why and is pure evil and hate LV 20:13
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant on you of you work on the sabbath which is a stupid law and is pure evil and hate EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant if you commit adultery which is a stupid law LV 20:10
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant if you say something like "god damn it" or "f god"/ blasphemy which is truly a stupid ignorant law LV: 24:16
* You won"t have to worry about god sending his henchmen to kill you simply because you believe in a different god or gods which is pure evil and hate DT 13: 9-10, DT 17 2-5, 2 CHR 15: 12-13,
* You won"t have to worry about being a slave unto god as is endorsed throughout the bible (OT was never taken away or revamped and yes jesus did it too but we are not concerned with a false prophet) EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25,
* You won"t have to worry about god torturing, brutalizing, knowingly causing the suffering of yours or other children and babies LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23
* You won"t have to worry about god hating women in which he most certainly does to your wife, girlfriend, mother, grandmother, great grandmother or any woman you know LM 4 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34,1 TY 2:12
* You won"t have to be terrified if you are a woman as god loves rape NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, pure evil and nothing but,
Tracie Harris: "Your question was regarding free will as an argument for allowing suffering. That's when you get into the problem of evil. Now the problem of evil as we all know is not an argument that demonstrates that no god exists or that god exists. What it demonstrates is that god is your god is an a$#. What she's telling you is she believes in a god, and I assume she worships this god? Its like is she 'happy' about her god?" Caller: "Oh oh yeah everything except for the old testament." Tracie "In other words what she is saying is 'I love this god who believes that the free will of the rapist is more important than the free will of the child being raped. That I think that its worth it to have a child be raped because I really really put a high value on a rapist's free will.""
"When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven?" And she"ll say "yes." And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven?" So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, raped, so you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, he must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick." Phil Ferguson
* You won"t have to be ridden with grief with your "christian" religion anymore if you think an abortion is the right thing to do as god commits abortions HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, and perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in which religious people solidly believe in (without proof)?
* You won"t have to go to war and perhaps die or perhaps lose a few limbs along with your sanity (PTSD) all in the supposed "good" name of god in which you cannot even prove even exists as this god has committed countless atrocities/ genocides for absolutely no reason... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc The body count in the bible that god killed is 2,821,364 when it should have been 0. After all if god is god he can do anything and especially not have the need, want and much needed desire for deliberate genocides proving him to be far worse than Stalin, Pol Pot, Hong Xiuquan, Mao, Hitler combined. After all this unproved god knowingly created them knowing especially what they would do.

***** If you do not see the horrific details behind YOUR christian god, religion and bible and its fatalistic flaws and how absurdly valueless they are, and if you can honestly and truly think of any common sense logical reason(s) as to WHY you should NOT become/ be an atheist (and remember, even the slightest doubt in the belief in god(s) that means you are an atheist) then you are completely gone into another non existent universe.
***** We'll get into other things in other rounds such as why god would never use text as a source of communication the worst form of communication possible, the bible is not evidence, faith is not evidence, super massive hypocritical contradictions in the bible thus proving the bible to be unreadable, heaven and hell, god is an idiot, god is imperfect etc.
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AMcCormack21

Con

Alright, that was a lot of reading lol. I will start off by saying this: although there is no definite way to prove that there is a God, there is also no way to disprove His existence. God today is more a symbol of hope and a reason for people to behave in a humane manner, mostly in areas of life in which law does not dictate. I would also like to argue that science has been able to prove multiple scenarios that occurred in the bible, such as Noah's ark, the parting of the Red Sea, and more. God means many different things to many people around the world, to me, a practicing Roman Catholic, the existence of a God is not some bearded old man sitting up on a cloud, but He is merely a force that is a greater power of the universe. Something that explains the scientifically inexplicable.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

"God today is more a symbol of hope and a reason for people to behave in a humane manner," Well have you even looked up the verses posted before running your pathetic little maw? Apparently not.
So here's what you support...
You believe that its perfectly OK if someone is gay that they should all be killed.
You believe that innocent babies and children should be killed.
You believe that pregnant women should be killed. (And that would mean abortions to this god of YOURS is perfectly acceptable, but not to you as christians. Since this is true, that makes you a contradictory hypocrite.)
You believe that its perfectly OK for those who do not believe in YOUR god, that they should all be killed.
You believe that those who break the sabbath should be killed.
You believe that those who curse at their parents should all be killed.
You believe that all who blaspheme should be killed.
You believe that god's genocides were perfectly justified thus putting this god of yours above the ranks of Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hong Xiuquan proving this god of yours to be far worse than they. After all, this god of yours knowingly created them, knowing that they would be far worse that them.

Yep, that's what your bible states.

Sorry, science has not proven one thing from the bible,not one thing. "able to prove multiple scenarios that occurred in the bible, such as Noah's ark" That's a really good nice invented excuse and one big flat out lie. Sorry there hasn't been one sliver of that invented ship found. Nice try. Because if there was, then there would be a massive rape from the media. They would all be on their knees hoping for something more. The internet would be shut down and it would be glued to every single ounce of truth it could muster. Newspapers, TV stations, the web, etc etc would NOT be able to get rid of this information and your god would rank supreme. Oh and btw, the supposed great flood never happened. Also, the ark as described in the bible could have never floated especially with all the dinosaurs. Also, and yet strangely it takes your god to create the universe in 6 days, and it takes him 40 days and nights to flood the earth (where's the math?) because he hates man AND EVERY LIVING THING. 2 of each species wouldn't have been enough to save a population. There's so so so many fallacies with the great flood.

Well in me doing this for 42 + years and having talked with 22,000 others or so,, and the parting of the RED SEA, I've never heard that those in science, keywords "of merit" has claimed it has happened. And the same thing as above... if true, it would be such a media splash that there would be 0 let up. It would be splattered all over the internet, on every single TV station, in every single newspaper and your god would rank supreme and all other gods would fail. etc etc etc.

So why hasn't any of that trash happened? I'll tell you why, its because its a bunch of B.S.

"He is merely a force that is a greater power of the universe." Well that could be absolutely anything. "Something that explains the scientifically inexplicable." Well that's what religion is good for. Regardless, whoever said that science is required to explain everything? Science most certainly does not know everything and is very proud to say "I don't know", whereas those are terrorist words to a christian because dare their god be imperfect in which this christian god most certainly is not perfect according to its bible.
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Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 3 years ago
FollowerofChrist1955
backwardseden;
Isaiah 6
9 He said, "Go and tell this people:

""Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving."
10
Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.[a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed."
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
Well which god? And an axiom may be a little bit trite especially when you cannot prove it to anyone else and you have this itching feeling to do as such, like diarrhea. No that's not the problem "What humanity has a problem doing is setting GOD must be only religious in its representation." Because 1. Why would anyone want to? 2. Why would anyone be required to? 3. Why would anyone have the necessity to? 4. The god of the printed terrorist bible, in which there's 0 proof for him existing, demands it. 5. And people follow it on a whim because 6. They are gullible. 7. and or They have low self esteem. 8. and or They are indoctrinated. Everybody is born an atheist. So they MUST be taught this ugly god terrorist of the bible somehow.
Posted by John_C_1812 3 years ago
John_C_1812
But GOD as an axiom can be proven by any able body person does in fact exist. While logically the question becomes is it possible for an all known axiom to be formulated in principle. What humanity has a problem doing is setting GOD must be only religious in its representation.
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