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backwardseden
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AKMath
Con (against)

Reasons for accepting atheism and not the god of the bible in which nobody can even prove exists

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Started: 6/12/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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backwardseden

Pro

First for all who don't know what "atheism" is. in which nearly 100% of the population on planet earth doesn't, it is simply by the very definition of the dictionary "1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings." DO NOT TURN IT INTO ANYTHING ELSE.
Now here's why you should NOT ACCEPT GOD and instead accept atheism. And if you have even the slightest inkling of doubt as to your belief in god(s), then you ARE an atheist.
* You will have free will. If you believe in god you have NO FREE WILL. NONE. PERIOD. These videos will prove it. But christians are absolutely famous for completely ignoring rock solid evidence.
http://www.youtube.com... - All Knowing god versus Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction
http://www.youtube.com... - Free Will With god
http://www.youtube.com... - god Favors Evil
http://www.youtube.com... - god allows Free Will?
Also you show me anywhere in the bible where it says something to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants man free will" Its doesn"t say it anywhere. Also threatening people with death such as a couple of the 10 commandments, adultery, breaking the sabbath, blaspheme, that"s taking free will away. And if god is god, he knows exactly what you will be doing trillions of years before you will be doing it. You are a programmed robot. That"s not free will. You have no free will believing in god. NONE.
* Suffering, horrific pain and torture exists occurs throughout the bible. god is the absolute 100% cause of it otherwise god is not god. And even worse is he gives this knowing suffering horrific pain to children which can only mean two things that god is pure evil and hate as proved in the verses and quotes below. Now the thing about children is, is WHY? Other than god must love it and is a pure sadist otherwise he would not create it. Even worse is children do not understand suffering at all. They can only say unto themselves as a horrific example when daddy is sticking his you know what inside of them while punching them at age 4 all the way up until 17 in the face sometime twice per week, "why me"? god is an a$$ who gives the benefit of the so-called power of the free will to that of the person committing the evil acts as compared to those who suffer, in this case millions of children who cannot escape from their tormentors. .
"Could god have made the world and not suffering? And if they say "no" then he"s not all powerful. If they say "yes", then why didn"t he? Its a constant thing. There"s multiple ways to come at it." Phil Ferguson

* You won"t have to worry god issuing a death warrant on you if you are gay which is 100% wrong and gives no reason why and is pure evil and hate LV 20:13
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant on you of you work on the sabbath which is a stupid law and is pure evil and hate EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant if you commit adultery which is a stupid law LV 20:10

* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant if you say something like "god damn it" or "f god"/ blasphemy which is truly a stupid ignorant law LV: 24:16
* You won"t have to worry about god sending his henchmen to kill you simply because you believe in a different god or gods which is pure evil and hate DT 13: 9-10, DT 17 2-5, 2 CHR 15: 12-13,

* You won"t have to worry about being a slave unto god as is endorsed throughout the bible (OT was never taken away or revamped and yes jesus did it too but we are not concerned with a false prophet) EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25,

* You won"t have to worry about god torturing, brutalizing, knowingly causing the suffering of yours or other children and babies LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23

* You won"t have to worry about god hating women in which he most certainly does to your wife, girlfriend, mother, grandmother, great grandmother or any woman you know LM 4: 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34,1 TMY 2:12

* You won"t have to be terrified if you are a woman as god loves rape NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, pure evil and nothing but,
Tracie Harris: "Your question was regarding free will as an argument for allowing suffering. That's when you get into the problem of evil. Now the problem of evil as we all know is not an argument that demonstrates that no god exists or that god exists. What it demonstrates is that god is your god is an a$#. What she's telling you is she believes in a god, and I assume she worships this god? Its like is she 'happy' about her god?" Caller: "Oh oh yeah everything except for the old testament." Tracie "In other words what she is saying is 'I love this god who believes that the free will of the rapist is more important than the free will of the child being raped. That I think that its worth it to have a child be raped because I really really put a high value on a rapist's free will.""

"When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven?" And she"ll say "yes." And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven?" So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, raped, so you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, he must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick." Phil Ferguson

* You won"t have to be ridden with grief with your "christian" religion anymore if you think an abortion is the right thing to do as god commits abortions HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, and perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in which religious people solidly believe in (without proof)?

* You won"t have to go to war and perhaps die or perhaps lose a few limbs along with your sanity (PTSD) all in the supposed "good" name of god in which you cannot even prove even exists as this god has committed countless atrocities/ genocides for absolutely no reason... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc The body count in the bible that god killed is 2,821,364 when it should have been 0. After all if god is god he can do anything and especially not have the need, want and much needed desire for deliberate genocides proving him to be far worse than Stalin, Pol Pot, Hong Xiuquan, Mao, Hitler combined. After all this unproved god knowingly created them knowing especially what they would do.

***** If you do not see the horrific details behind YOUR christian god, religion and bible and its fatalistic flaws and how absurdly valuless they are, and WHY you should NOT become/ be an atheist (and remember, even the slightest doubt in the belief in a god(s) means that you are an atheist) then you are completely gone into another non existent universe.

***** We'll get into other things in other rounds such as why god would never use text as a source of communication the worst form of communication possible, the bible is not evidence, faith is not evidence, super massive hypocritical contradictions in the bible thus proving the bible to be unreadable, heaven and hell, god is an idiot, god is imperfect etc.
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***** Rules: counteract what has been posted in RD1 thus far and prove that god is worthy of worship, and atheism is NOT a correct ideal.
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AKMath

Con

(I'm a catholic)
We do have free will. We do in fact have the right to do whatever we please. The argument that god makes up all your decisions for you is true but it doesn't really matter. If I asked you whether you liked apples or bananas more, and you answered bananas it doesn't matter if god made that or not. The fact is you agree with all the decisions god made. It's sort of like playing a telltale game. While you don't literally choose the decisions you agree with them. I'm quite confused. Why are you blaming God for a murder. It's not his fault that a murderer murdered someone. People have free will. It's like hate speech. It doesn't exist because hate speech is part of the freedom to say anything besides actually saying you will kill someone etc. Having someone racially, religiously, etc. offend you is the price you pay for the freedom to say anything. God doesn't favor evil at all. Guess who's going to heaven, that mother and child. Guess who's going to hell, those murderers. And afterall God can't interfere with that murder. God can't do anything to the Earth as the Earth belongs to Satan. As Jesus said, I am not the king of this realm, but one far greater. You are guaranteed free will, but just like in the world, you'll be penalized and punished for your wrongdoings and shortcomings. As I have mentioned before God is all powerful, but refuses to play in the world of Satan. WIth your *'s. These are all from the Old Testament, these laws and rules didn't apply after Jesus came. God decided that all punishment shall be done on the judgement seat. You find many hypocritical statements in the Bible because the verses you use are all from different Bibles. If you take any of the three catholic Bibles I can almost assure you, you won't fin anything hypocritical in one of them.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

I have free will because I am smart, educated, and intelligent enough to never believe in your god. You on the other hand believe in your god, therefore you do not have Free Will. PE-RI-OD. Since you did not watch the videos or pay any attention to what I said, and since your god said absolutely nothing about granting you free will in your bible, simply put, you do not have free will according to your god. This subject is now a dead subject because you did not pay attention.
"And afterall God can't interfere with that murder." Wow. Your god has murdered 2,821,364 in his bible which included innocent babies and children, pregnant mothers as well and he's also according to you created---the---universe---in---6---days and you don't somehow think he can interfere with a murder?
"God can't do anything to the Earth as the Earth belongs to Satan." Oh I get it, so also you must think that satan is somehow more powerful than YOUR flying pregnant fetus screw who obviously has no powers, god? "As Jesus said..." Who cares what jesus said? He's as fraudulent as they bumbling babbling baby brained get. And btw, since you treat your god as trash, and think that you are somehow starter than he is, and that jesus is somehow more powerful than your god as well as satan, thus your god is a weakling inferior/ aka trash. Its very crystal clear that you have to wing it in order to stay afloat in this debate, and probably the real world as well. So I am now ending this debate because you honestly have no idea as to what on THIS earth you are talking about AND YOU KNOW IT. Oh and oh yeah there was an outhouse of other things mentioned that you didn't even touch in RD1 thus proving that your god is pure s--t. And it comes directly from your bible. So why should I even bother with you? Bye.
AKMath

Con

So what if God kills women and children? He gives life and can take it away whenever he pleases. God owes us nothing. First of all you ignorantly just ignoring my argument about free will. God can interfere with a murder, it's just that he won't. Big difference between can't and won't. Actually most historians agree Jesus of Nazareth was the influential man that has ever lived. Fraudulent you say huh. Tell that to the 2.2 million people (or 1/3 of the world's population) that believe in him. And he does exist as there are records from the Roman Empire and Caiaphas' library. Jesus is not more powerful than my god, he is my god (via. holy trinity). And yes Jesus is more powerful than Satan. He is the only person demons and even Satan tremble upon hearing his name.
Please tell me why God wouldn't use text.
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Posted by backwardseden 3 months ago
backwardseden
https://medium. Com/@justintime25/the-case-against-the-kalam-cosmological-argument-9a7e535dee05
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
"So what if God kills women and children?" It in ONLY christians, and ONLY christians that somehow justify the butchering of innocent horrific babies and children for ANY reason. Conversation over. I'm not even going to continue with this line of stupid nonsensical debating in which I'm right, so is the rest of the word who is sane, and you are wrong. And until you can even prove your god even exists, you have nothing. Don't bother me again.
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