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backwardseden
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chrisleematt
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Reasons for accepting atheism and not the superior ego god complex of the bible

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Started: 8/22/2018 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

First for all who don't know what "atheism" is. In which nearly 100% of the population on planet earth doesn't, It is simply by the very definition of the dictionary "1. The doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. " DO NOT TURN IT INTO ANYTHING ELSE.
Now here's why you should NOT ACCEPT GOD and instead accept atheism. And if you have even the slightest inkling of doubt as to your belief in god(s), Then you ARE an atheist.
* You will have free will. If you believe in god you have NO FREE WILL. NONE. PERIOD. These videos that are found on youtube will prove it. But christians are absolutely famous for completely ignoring rock solid evidence.
- All Knowing god versus Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction
- god Favors Evil
Right below this video is a very good video entitled "Summarizing the Proof that God is Evil" in which the bible is very good at pointing out to be true. That's yet another reason to accept atheism and not the god according to the bible. This will be gotten into a lot more as this debate continues.
Continuing. . .
Also you show me anywhere in the bible where it says something to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants man free will" The bible doesn"t say it anywhere. Not a hint of it. Also threatening people with death such as a couple of the 10 commandments, Adultery, Breaking the sabbath, Blaspheme, That"s taking free will away. And if god is god, He knows exactly what you will be doing trillions of years before you will be doing it. You are a programmed robot. That"s not free will. You have no free will in believing in god. NONE.

* Suffering, Horrific pain and torture exists occurs throughout the bible. God is the absolute 100% cause of it otherwise god is not god. And even worse is he gives this knowing suffering horrific pain to children which can only mean two things that god is pure evil and hate as proved in the verses and quotes below. Now the thing about children is, Is WHY? Other than god must love it and is a pure sadist otherwise he would not create it. Even worse is children do not understand suffering at all. They can only say unto themselves as a horrific example when daddy is sticking his you know what inside of them while punching them at age 4 all the way up until 17 in the face sometime twice per week, "why me"? God is an a$$ who gives the benefit of the so-called power of the free will to that of the person committing the evil acts as compared to those who suffer, In this case millions of children who cannot escape from their tormentors. .
"Could god have made the world and not suffering? And if they say "no" then he"s not all powerful. If they say "yes", Then why didn"t he? Its a constant thing. There"s multiple ways to come at it. " Phil Ferguson

* You won"t have to worry god issuing a death warrant on you if you are gay which is 100% wrong and gives no reason why and is pure evil and hate LV 20:13
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant on you of you work on the sabbath which is a stupid law and is pure evil and hate EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36
* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant if you commit adultery which is a stupid law LV 20:10

* You won"t have to worry about god issuing you a death warrant if you say something like "god damn it" or "f god"/ blasphemy which is truly a stupid ignorant law LV: 24:16
* You won"t have to worry about god sending his henchmen to kill you simply because you believe in a different god or gods which is pure evil and hate DT 13: 9-10, DT 17 2-5, 2 CHR 15: 12-13,

* You won"t have to worry about being a slave unto god as is endorsed throughout the bible (OT was never taken away or revamped and yes jesus did it too but we are not concerned with a false prophet) EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25,

* You won"t have to worry about god torturing, Brutalizing, Knowingly causing the suffering of yours or other children and babies LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15, LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23

* You won"t have to worry about god hating women in which he most certainly does to your wife, Girlfriend, Mother, Grandmother, Great grandmother or any woman you know LM 4: 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34, 1 TMY 2:12

* You won"t have to be terrified if you are a woman as god loves rape NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, Pure evil and nothing but,
Tracie Harris: "Your question was regarding free will as an argument for allowing suffering. That's when you get into the problem of evil. Now the problem of evil as we all know is not an argument that demonstrates that no god exists or that god exists. What it demonstrates is that god is your god is an a$#. What she's telling you is she believes in a god, And I assume she worships this god? Its like is she 'happy' about her god? " Caller: "Oh oh yeah everything except for the old testament. " Tracie "In other words what she is saying is 'I love this god who believes that the free will of the rapist is more important than the free will of the child being raped. That I think that its worth it to have a child be raped because I really really put a high value on a rapist's free will. ""

"When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven? " And she"ll say "yes. " And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven? " So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, Raped, So you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, He must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick. " Phil Ferguson

* You won"t have to be ridden with grief with your "christian" religion anymore if you think an abortion is the right thing to do as god commits abortions HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, And perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in which religious people solidly believe in (without proof)?

* You won"t have to go to war and perhaps die or perhaps lose a few limbs along with your sanity (PTSD) all in the supposed "good" name of god in which you cannot even prove even exists as this god has committed countless atrocities/ genocides for absolutely no reason. . . The great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3, 000 EX 32:27-28, 14, 700 NU 16:49, 24, 002 NU 25: 1-11, 12, 000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10, 000 JG 1:4, 120, 000 JG 8:7-10, 42, 000 JG 12:3-6, 1, 000 JD 15:14-15, 3, 000 JD 16:27-30, 25, 101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34, 002, 1 SAM 6:19 50, 070, 2 SAM 8 65, 850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100, 000, 1 KI 20: 30 27, 000, KI 19 35 -37 185, 000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500, 000! , 2 CHR 28:6 120, 000, Esther 9:5-18 75, 813 etc etc etc The body count in the bible that god killed is 2, 821, 364 when it should have been 0. After all if god is god he can do anything and especially not have the need, Want and much needed desire for deliberate genocides proving him to be far worse than Stalin, Pol Pot, Hong Xiuquan, Mao, Hitler combined. After all this unproved god knowingly created them knowing especially what they would do.

***** If you do not see the horrific details behind YOUR christian god, Religion and bible and its fatalistic flaws and how absurdly valuless they are, And WHY you should NOT become/ be an atheist (and remember, Even the slightest doubt in the belief in a god(s) means that you are an atheist) then you are completely gone into another non existent universe.

***** We'll get into other things in other rounds such as why god would never use text as a source of communication the worst form of communication possible, The bible is not evidence, Faith is not evidence, Super massive hypocritical contradictions in the bible thus proving the bible to be unreadable, Heaven and hell, God is an idiot, God is imperfect, God is evil (in which this character of god freely admitted to SEVERAL TIMES! ) etc.

*****
Rules: counteract what has been posted in RD1 thus far and prove that god is worthy of worship, And atheism is NOT a correct ideal.

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chrisleematt

Con

First of all, Your argument suggests that you are not just an atheist, But rather an anti-theist(the belief that theism is harmful), If you are confused on what the difference is, Go here, Https://www. Thoughtco. Com/atheism-and-anti-theism-248322. The fact that you stated that "god Favors Evil" shows that you do believe in god. In order to suggest that something is certainly one way, You must first admit that that thing does exist.

Let's get one thing perfectly strait, Just because you don't believe in something, Doesn't mean it is not real. If you think that a law is dumb and shouldn't exist, And decide not to follow that law because of your belief, You will be arrested for breaking that law. P. S. I said arrested, Not sentenced to death. As an active Christian, I know that the whole point of god sending his son down to die by our hands and be resurrected was to establish a new covenant, And that the reason we have the old testament in the bible is because Christianity originated from Judaism. Unlike Judaism, However, Christianity does not have 613 laws. It only says to treat others as you would want to be treated and to love, Trust, And obey god's will. However, The true purpose of the new covenant was to show that god forgives the sins of everyone as long as you ask and truly want forgiveness for unselfish reasons.

Regarding suffering, "Likewise, You who are younger, Be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, All of you, With humility toward one another, For 'God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. '" 1 Peter 5:5, God constantly tests our faith in him with trials of temptation, Suffering, And pain. And although it seems like god is against you, You will be rewarded eternally if your faith remains. And it is not god who tempts you, It is Satan. Satan exists because god needs him to exist in order for us to have a choice in what we do(free will). In other words, Without Satan, We can't make choices, Only do what we are told. God works through us to belittle Satan by pushing us to make the right choices and ignore Satan's temptations. However, There are people like your "daddy" character who are ensnared by the devil and have fallen to his temptations. As for the children, "Jesus said, 'Let the little children come to me, And do not hinder them, For the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these. '" Mathew 19:14, You are correct in saying that they do not understand suffering, And that is because they are innocent and do not understand to the full extent the wrong that is being done against them. It is because of this innocence that god says the kingdom of heaven belongs to them, Their undying, Innocent, And relentless faith is the reason Christ welcomed the children.

The argument was whether or not god was worthy of worship and the simple and plain answer is yes. If you deny god, You will go to hell, But if you worship him, You will live forever in heaven. And if god turned out to not be real, Then none of it mattered anyway because you are gone and your life is over. But if god turns out to be real, Then it was worth it and you get to go to heaven and party for eternity.

P. S. I won't go deep into purgatory but it is basically where you go if you had sins you didn't ask forgiveness for but you go to heaven after you are forgiven.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

First of all well um nope. I"m an atheist who believes that the god of the bible should be thrown in the trash can for the better of the human race because I believe in kindness, Care, Love, Harmony, Peace etc etc etc in which the god of the bible is totally 100% against because its never been achieved anywhere for any length of time. THeism is harmful. Actually all religion is harmful because none of it has ---ever--- been proven to be true not by anybody anywhere at anytime. I"m not confused by anything I know perfectly well what I"m talking about. I"ve been doing this for 43+ years and have talked with roughly 22, 000 on this subject.

"The fact that you stated that "god Favors Evil" shows that you do believe in god. " No I believe in the belief in god. That"s a HUGE MONUMENTAL DIFFERENCE. Again, Nobody has ever been able to prove any god has ever existed, Much less the christian god in which is what this debate is about.

"Let's get one thing perfectly strait"" woah there horsey, You DO NOT dictate ANYTHING unto me, ESPECIALLY when I most assuredly have at least 10x the knowledge on your religion, That is you even believe in the christian god, And I am assuming that you had better otherwise you would not be stupid enough to accept this debate, YOUR god who is nothing more than a superior ego god complex in which the bible is entirely about and nothing more, And YOUR bible than you ---ever--- will. And if you don"t like it, Leave. I"m not here to please a punk kid like you scarcely entering high school like you. Got it? MY rules. My house.

"Just because you don't believe in something, Doesn't mean it is not real. Until you or someone else proves that YOUR god IS real, Then YOUR god is NOT real. Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. And you don"t have a shred of evidence. None. Neither does anyone else.

"If you think that a law is dumb and shouldn't exist, And decide not to follow that law because of your belief, You will be arrested for breaking that law. P. S. I said arrested" Well gee, YOUR god decides to sentenced you to death on more than a couple of occassions. But alas you haven"t read your bible in which YOUR god would not use text, The worst form of communication possible to begin with in which is quite apparent. Do you think you should be put to death just because you blaspheme? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 24:16, Do you think you should die if you work on the sabbath? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 31:14, And Numbers 15: 32-36, Do you think you should die for merely cursing at your parents? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9, Mark 7:10, Matthew 15:4, Do you think you should die if you commit adultery? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:10, That"s the 10 commands for yah. Here"s some other wonderful kissy kissy poo poo things that YOUR god thinks you should die for: Do you think you should die if you are a homosexual? Y___? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:13, Do you think you should die if you worship other gods? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Deuteronomy 13: 9-10 and Deuteronomy 17: 2-5. So yeah you are a robot.

"As an active Christian"" Whoa there cowbore there"s no such a thing as a christian except for maybe 1, 000 people on this planet if that. And you most certainly are not one. Not---even---close.

"I know that the whole point of god sending his son down to die by our hands"" Wow you don"t even know your own fairy tale. First off, Christ, In which there"s no proof for him even existing, Was not the messiah as he broke several of god"s laws in which he did not have permission from his daddy to do as such so he should have been rightly executed. Then he lied about his daddy also. Wow. A very big no no. Tisk tisk. Secondly in your fairy tale what it states also is that YOUR coughed upped diseased god sent this young man down to earth to be DELIBERATELY tortured and persecuted. Buddhism teaches the end of suffering. YOUR sad pathetic religion teaches the beginning of suffering. Wow with a very big dopey doy I just cannot imagine which one I will choose if I knew absolutely nothing about neither.
Now here"s a question for you" what can children learn from suffering? And yes, You rank as a child. If you"ve answered "nothing", You"ve answered correctly.

"and be resurrected was to establish a new covenant, " Well gosh golly was that approved by god himself in this great big paperback? Nope. Sorry it was not. Not anywhere. So in fact its a load of crap and say hasta la bye bye to the supposed "new covenant. Better yet"
Pay attention closely:
*Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. "
*Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, The flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. "
*2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, And is profitable for doctrine, For reproof, For correction, For instruction in righteousness:"
*Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, Converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, Making wise the simple. "
*Psalm 119:160 "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. "
* James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, And cometh down from the Father of lights, With whom is no variableness, Neither shadow of turning. "
In other words god"s word is PERFECT. It cannot be changed by anyone or anything EXCEPT for god himself. Christ and god were two separate entities. Christ, Being the lowly drab that he supposedly was in which like god who in which nobody can even prove has ever existed could---not---change---god"s---laws---because---god"s---word---is---PERFECT---and---cannot---be---changed. Got it?

"And that the reason we have the old testament in the bible is because Christianity originated from Judaism. " Well yah actually and finally got something right. Now let"s see if you can bring it home. I 100% guarantee you can"t. And btw, Don"t even presume for a trillionth of a second that you can lecture me, K? "Unlike Judaism, However, Christianity does not have 613 laws. It only says to treat others as you would want to be treated and to love, Trust, And obey god's will. " Actually it says to obey christ"s will. BIG DIFFERENCE. For you to not know that shows how little you know about your religion and will believe in just about anything that is put in front of your face without doing much research on your dinner plate. So I can no longer pay any attention to you.

The very difference between judaism and christianity is christ. The jews do not believe christ is the messiah whereas christians do.
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