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skanam108
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KOA_Tengu
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Science is the greatest integrator of human societies

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Started: 2/25/2018 Category: Science
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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skanam108

Con

Science is an integral part of the human world in this century of millennials. I agree it is the greatest revolutionary change in the history of mankind but are we really using it the correct way? We have being so engrossed in discovering technology and ways to make our lifestyle easier that we have forgotten what it feels like to be human again.
Science has not only invented a robot, but has turned a man into a robot in some cases.

Satellites are widely used for espionage purposes.

Excessive industrialization has lead to air pollution and other health hazards.

It snatches the soul of a man when he runs a race in mad pursuit of material prosperity.

Science, at the same time, has given him frightful nuclear weapons. If there be a third world war, it will abolish the whole mankind from this planet. Peace on earth is at peril now.
KOA_Tengu

Pro

I understand that the advancement of technology (science) has caused problems, but I do believe that the helpfulness of science are more than the harmfulness.

I would argue on the following points

1)The advancement of science has lead to better medicines/ treatment and is able to cure human beings of diseases that could not be treated before.

2)With more advanced transport infrastructure, we are able to get to places more quickly and safely.

3)We are able to inform/communicate with others around the globe, which will raise awareness about current affairs/issues. This will enable those in need to get the help that they require. (eg. Rohingya and Syrian crisis)

4)GMO (genetically modified) food is able to solve the problem of food shortage and malnutrition in many places of the world.

So I do believe that science bring more positive impacts than negative ones.

(Please note that I would elaborate more during the other rounds and I may talk about other examples.)
Debate Round No. 1
skanam108

Con

I have checked into account all of your points and I want to lay my point of view regarding the same.
1. I agree Science and technology has paved way for many cures and treatments of incurable disease but the use of drugs and pharmaceuticals has increased so much that for even a regular cold, people prefer antibiotics which has made the human body hollow from inside and weaker and less resistant than our ancestors. With the discovery of new drugs, the population is more prone to a lot of side-effects which could lead to permanent changes in the genetic material leading ultimately to mutations.
2. I admire that the discovery of new ways of transport has brought the world closer but it also enormously contributes to our latest enemy that is, pollution and global warming. People are using and owning vehicles which are more than necessary. The most popular example is of the Capital of India, Delhi is ranked as one of the most polluted cities due to which people are suffering from various lung problems and the quality of air has degraded so much that it's not possible to breathe the fresh air that we used to. If nothing is done on time, soon all of cities will be like this and greenery will be lost forever.
3. The most important gain of science according to the young people of the generation is the invention of social media which closed the gaps of countries around the globe. Social media has made the world it's slave and we didn't even realize when. Teenagers are so addicted to their mobile phones, they can survive without food but not wifi. The "good" use of social media to increase awareness is done by merely 20% of the world, while the rest 80% is busy looking at memes. They're so engrossed in making fun of others, making stupid people famous celebrities, that half of them don't even know about the condition of the world. Also social media has made people social only on the internet while speedily decreasing the real life interactions of people making them more introverted and self conserved which is clearly not healthy and results in mental disorders like depression.
4. Genetically modified foods has definitely helped in fighting off malnutrition but are those who are really needy even getting these advantages? The children of Africa are still hungry, still malnourished. The use of technology should be provided in the most affordable and subtle way to those who are really needy of it and not to those who just want to maintain their figure. This might seem rude but this is the truth of the world. Technology has only made the rich richer, and the poor poorer.
Can't we still go back to the simple way of living? Where there was no race to be successful, everyone lived their life happy and contented. There were no mobile phones but people did communicate. No social media but people were social enough. No modified food, but people slept fully fed and satisfied. There was no need of science but if we have it now, shouldn't it be used for the betterment rather than the abolishment of the earth.
KOA_Tengu

Pro

Ok, so I actually wanted to ask you whether it is okay to elaborate on one point per round, but you don"t seem to be accepting messages right now so I will continue with the way you are debating right now.

1. I do agree that if one does take in too much antibiotics, it will cause bacteria to become antibiotic-resistant, but having a mutation is a little bit extreme. Furthermore, cures and treatments does not just include drugs, it also actually includes surgery and other methods. I shall elaborate more on surgery this round.

Surgery, is a branch of medicine that is concerned with the treatment of injuries, diseases, and other disorders by manual and instrumental means. Surgery involves the management of acute injuries and illnesses as differentiated from chronic, slowly progressing diseases, except when patients with the latter type of disease must be operated upon. Such diseases are normally incurable or hard to cure by taking drugs. With the advancement of technology, the risks of having your brain or other vital body parts has been massively decreased. Before, surgery was so scary and dangerous that patients who suffer these diseases will prefer to live to the end of their lifespan instead of risking a 1 percent chance. With more advanced machinery, more people suffering from these diseases will be cured, thus saving more lives.

2. I noted that you said that the increase in transport infrastructure will lead to severe problems like pollution and global warming. Well the thing is, the temperature of the world has already been slowly raising through the years, which is scientifically proven (even without cars and other vehicles), so the issue cannot be totally blamed on the increase in transport infrastructure.

These transport infrastructure actually connect the world together, as we can travel to the other countries by air, land or sea. This brings people of different cultures/religions, backgrounds, race and personality together. By being able to communicate with different people, we get to view the world in a broader perspective and be able to be more accepting of people that are different from us. I have other points that I would be elaborating more in the next round.

3. I understand that the existence of social media and online chatting platforms has decreased interaction face-to-face, but this is not really true. There are things online, that can both beneficial and detrimental in certain ways. Social networks are one of the fastest growing industries in the world, and is a good platform for social media marketing. This will further benefit the economy of the country as many people spent most of their time online.

Social media marketing increases ones brand"s awareness. 78 % of small businesses use social media to attract new customers. Furthermore 33% of customers have identified social media as how they identify new brands products and services. Social media marketing helps to validate ones brand. A company"s social media presence, when done correctly, tells consumers that their brand is active and focused on thriving communication with consumers. 63% of consumers who search for businesses online are more likely to use ones with an informative social media presence. Social media marketing has the power to increase customer loyalty. 71% of consumers who received a quick response on social media would recommend the brand to others.

Well, another thing that I want to talk about (I am not going to elaborate) is using social media to raise awareness. It may be true that only a small portion of people actually care about the campaigns, but social media platforms are not the one way that one can raise awareness. One can create new websites, or post on news platforms to raise awareness.

4. I understand that the places that need GM food the most aren"t getting it, but this is not related to the topic we are debating about. We are debating about science, technology, but the issue you are bringing up is more social than scientific. If the goods do not go where they are supposed to go, then it is the government"s duty to ensure that they get there, and they can monitor this y using scientific inventions like the CCTV, or by making video/phone calls with the ones in charge.

Science is actually a double-edged sword. It has its own advantages and disadvantages.

(P.S. If you don"t mind, could you leave a line between paragraphs/points because it would be easier for me to read. Thank you so much.)
Debate Round No. 2
skanam108

Con

Alright, let's do this. I have added some new points and also going to contradict some of your previous statement. So starting with the health first:

1. Now let's have a look how humans lived before this vast growth of science and technology. People had jobs, or whatever work, they used to work hard, live long and suffered from lesser diseases. With the introduction of easier means to do the same work has made them couch potatoes. There is more mental work rather than physical which effected human body in ways we don't even know. People have become totally dependent on science, can't go a day without it, less active physically leading to degraded health, and mental disorders due to constantly being engaged in technology, eyes on the screen for more than 12 hours of the day, is that healthy? No. But people can't help it. Almost half of the people have jobs which forces them to sit straight infront of the computer. It's not even an option. You can't abandon it, if you want to keep up with the world.

Last time you said that mutation would be too extreme to talk about, well I would like to say, we are already experiencing the effects of mutation due to what happened in Hiroshima And Nagasaki. Mutation is an abrupt change which can happen anytime, and staying so involved with radiations makes it easier. Next thing we know, we might be a generation of mutants, if this continues that is.

People used to live longer, that is no new information. Now what caused the lifespans to become so short that people are barely managing to live a maximum age of 60? Well something that wasn't there before. Now I'm not aiming directly at science, there maybe other factors we never know but yeah science is a major one of them.

The mobile phone is such a common device, that our souls are dependent on it. No one can even imagine something happening to their phones. The radiations from it are destroying the aerial fauna. No birds, not even a crow can be seen nowadays.

2. Unemployment has increased due to replacement of human beings by machines. The work which required a thousand people now can be done with a single machine, no doubt it has made work easier and faster, but what about the lives affected by the sudden industrial revolution? No one even considers the thought that what will the fired people do now? How will their families survive? Unemployment is major problem out there, specially in developing countries where population is huge.

Robots have replaced humans in countries like Japan and Germany which is a risky business because no one knows when technology becomes out of control. There is great danger in it no matter how much controlled are the conditions.

3. With the use of technology, there is always a fear of something going wrong. Something, somewhere can blast up any moment. There is always risk. Take an example of vehicles, no one knows when a car is going to blow up with you in there. There is no risk in walking though. It might take time, but it's safer.

Also science has provided much easier access to its misuse being done. It's no hard thing to become a terrorist nowadays. Just type "bomb" in Google, and there you go. How to make it, how it works, ,everything available easily. Doesn't this contribute in world abolishment?

No gun control in superpowers like USA, will lead to massive mass destruction and science can't stop it from happening. Rather science is its cause.

I agree that Science has many advantages, innumerable but the disadvantages have no end. There will never be a time when you can say something is completely safe. Rather the disadvantages might have increased by then. Being so involved in science at what expense? Our life? Is it worth it?

(P.S. I hope I kept enough spaces for you to read easier, and just informing I didn't get any messages. Thank you)
KOA_Tengu

Pro

I would like to rebut some points and provide some more in depth information.

1) It is true that if you want to keep up with the society and its fast-changing pace, the ability to use technology is a necessary skill to equip oneself with. If one does not know how to use a simple laptop or mobile phone, he/she will find it hard to survive in today"s society. I understand that by staring at the screen for too long, it will result in illness (as you said), be it on purpose or for work. There is no way to really solve this problem now, but we can"t say so in the near future.

People would tend to spend most of their time online and this will result in mental disorders or other illnesses like short-sightedness. Most patients with mental disorders and take in certain drugs or medicine to control their emotions so that they do not get too excited and harm themselves or the people near them. This is only a supportive treatment to the main one, which is to attend counselling. Also, there is this new screen protector that can decrease the impact of staring too long at a screen on the eyes, so short-sightedness can be reduced through technology.

Also, the mutations that I mentioned about in my previous argument is genetic mutations caused by the overtaking of drugs and medicine. The mutations caused by radiation is not related to the medicine industry, but I will elaborate further on that. Radiation may cause genetic mutations but if the nuclear plant is well-protected and isolated, the benefits will raise above the risks. Since my first point is related to the medicine industry, I shall only elaborate on how radiation helps to cure people. But, radiation also helps in many other ways, like industrial-wise, agriculture, sterilisation and the environment.

Perhaps the most important use of radioactive materials is in medicine. Radiopharmaceuticals"drugs that contain radioactive material"are important in the diagnosis and treatment of many diseases. They can be injected into the body, inhaled, or taken orally as medicines or to enable imaging of internal organs and bodily processes.

Millions of people in Australia and around the world have benefited from the diagnostic and therapeutic qualities of radioactive materials. In 2002"03 alone there were over 590 000 nuclear medicine services in Australia. In medical procedures such as cancer diagnosis and treatment, around 500 000 patients have benefited from a radioisotope produced by the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation.

Also, I personally feel that the fact radiation coming out of our phones is destroying the aerial fauna is a little bit exaggerating. Radiation is given off by our phones, but it is a minute amount compared to a nuclear plant. Even though most of the population uses the phone, the radiation given off by our phones (as a scientific report states) have short half-lives and will decrease to background levels within days.

Actually, people used to live for a shorter lifespan. Scientists have roughly estimated that our ancestors (in the 1880s) only had an average lifespan of around 39 years, but now, we have a rough average lifespan of 80 years. (you can check out https://www.theatlantic.com... for more information, they have a graph)

2)It is true that unemployment rates have been raising in certain countries, but robots actually do not increase unemployment rates and instead, decrease them! You might be familiar with the Little Giant ladders manufactured by Wing Enterprises, Inc. in Springville, Utah. When the company"s sales increased through infomercials a few years back, strains on the production process appeared. To deal with rising demand, Wing Enterprises acquired welding robot systems from Lincoln. Productivity increased 30% according to Brian Nielsen, an automated fusion technician with Wing. This helped Wing to build a new facility three times its original size and expand from 20 to 400 employees.

Furthermore, Crown Equipment, the Greencastle, Indiana-based manufacturer of electric fork trucks, acquired three Lincoln robot systems to make specialized parts that created a new market for the company. This provided the foundation for an expansion that increased the company"s total number of employees from 200 to 335. These examples illustrate that properly implementing technology like robots to support corporate strategy can ultimately lead to reduced costs, improved productivity, operational efficiency- and employment gains.

Also, an increase in robots means an increase in people/industries to manufacture them, programmers, designers, and inspectors. This will result in an increase in employment rates as more people will be needed to support this industry.

3) Cars do not blow up that easily, there are several conditions to fulfill before a car can truly blow up. Firstly, the fuel's gas must, in someway, fill up inside the car. And remember: in both cases it have to be in the right concentration. One possible real situation where all of this can happen is a car accident. But note that: if the fuel tank is full, the probability to explode will be lower since it don't have enough space for the oxygen. Therefore, in an accident, it is more likely that the car burn than explode.

The most "likely" scenario where car may be in a position where it does something which makes it appear to an outside viewer to have "exploded" (not including an installed explosive device) would be the following: A fire starts in either the engine or the passenger compartments of the car. The heat of the fire melts a fuel line (or whatever may have caused the fire punctures the fuel tank) and the mixture of fuel and air reaches a level where it explodes when exposed to an open flame. This would give the appearance, to an untrained eye, that the car itself exploded. However, only the fuel powering exploded and not the vehicle. This is also fairly rare, as a car fire usually consumes the fuel powering the car or the car is extinguished before its fuel can possibly ignite.

It is true that true online platforms, more people might be brainwashed into being a terrorist. But the security web online or in one"s computer prevents people from viewing websites deemed as unsafe.

There is no direct way to use science to counter mass massacring with the gun, but the government can maybe impose some laws to stop it??? (your last point is too hard to counter :CCC, because the counters are more of social reasons)

If we want something good, there will be a price to pay, and unfortunately science is just like that.

(P.S. Thanks for leaving a space! Really appreciate it :D)
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Posted by mosc 2 years ago
mosc
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